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[biancospino]

Votecount 2-IX (UNCHANGED)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to hammer.

Votes

JacksonVirgo (2):

Passenger (213), BlueSnakelet (218)

Passenger (2):

Random Nurse (197), JacksonVirgo (293)

Not Voting (3):

ZZZX, AnimatedWiz (106), TheHoldSteady (220)

Notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-09-16 23:21:44)
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here.
  
• ZZZX is V/LA for the next two days.
  
• It takes 4 votes to hammer.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Hosts

, can you add an extra "Notes" to tell us how many votes is hammer?

[biancospino]

@Hosts

, can you add an extra "Notes" to tell us how many votes is hammer?

Sure, but do notice that it's also already written at the very top of each VC below the "Votecount X-Y" line.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Hosts

, can you add an extra "Notes" to tell us how many votes is hammer?

Sure, but do notice that it's also already written at the very top of each VC below the "Votecount X-Y" line.

Oh, I hadn't noticed that. Oopsies

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually. I want the Traffic Analyst to check Passenger. That'd solve them easy, I'm gonna then switch to ZZZ

VOTE: ZZZ

[TheHoldSteady]

Ya'll are so quiet

[TheHoldSteady]

Wiz? Nurse? Snake? Can you read Jackson's case against Passenger and tell me what you think?

[AnimatedWiz]

Wiz? Nurse? Snake? Can you read Jackson's case against Passenger and tell me what you think?

As far as I can tell (you'll have to forgive me for my lack of clear insight, fibromyalgia has made my brain soup this morning), Jackson's case is rather convincing for one made primarily made on a single piece of evidence—it's a pretty good piece of evidence to be fair, and the rest of Passenger's posts have also made me scumread them somewhat, so I feel like Passenger isn't a poor choice of elimination for this day.

However, I would like to see what others have to say (especially ZZZX) before I jump on the wagon here—no real reason to take someone out early again, in my opinion.

[biancospino]

Prodding Random Nurse.

[BlueSnakelet]

UNVOTE:

There's no way we have this setup and all three of us are Villagers. We should check Passenger.

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

There's no way we have this setup and all three of us are Villagers. We should check Passenger.

I don’t see how it’d be impossible, we don’t know who the actual scum are nor their roles. That being said I would love your specific thoughts on my cases on ZZZ and Passenger.

[AnimatedWiz]

I'm going to drop this role claim list here so that everyone can refer to it later as needed:

Not_Mafia: Villager
Hu Tao: Villager

AnimatedWiz: Villager
ZZZX: Villager
BlueSnakelet: Neighbor
TheHoldSteady: Indecisive Doctor
Random Nurse: Lazy Traffic Analyst
JacksonVirgo: Neighbor
Passenger: Backup Neighbor

P.S. This is in order of claim, with me claiming first and Passenger last. Not_Mafia and Hu Tao are included to be thorough.

[AnimatedWiz]

Actually. I want the Traffic Analyst to check Passenger. That'd solve them easy, I'm gonna then switch to ZZZ

VOTE: ZZZ

So, here's the issue: according to NAR, nightkills happen before investigative actions. So, if Random Nurse checks out Passenger and one of the Neighbors is nightkilled in the same night, I believe he'll still get a positive result due to Passenger getting access to the Neighbor PT automatically after the nightkill.

Actually, I should check that statement's validity—

@mods, would a Village Backup Neighbor show a positive result to a Traffic Analyst if one of the Neighbors was nightkilled that same night?

[JacksonVirgo]

I very much doubt that would happen ngl

[AnimatedWiz]

I can see arguments for both interpretations (since the access is

technically

granted right after the kill, but is practically granted after the entire night ends). However the mods decide this issue works affects the vote for me, since we might not be able to rely on Random Nurse getting useful info on Passenger.

[biancospino]

Actually, I should check that statement's validity—

@mods, would a Village Backup Neighbor show a positive result to a Traffic Analyst if one of the Neighbors was nightkilled that same night?

No. Please refer to this tidbit on the wiki:

The role activates "upon the flip", i.e. at the end of the night or day phase in which the backed-up role dies, rather than being able to change state in the middle of night action resolution.

[AnimatedWiz]

Oh wow—I really need to double-check the wiki when I try to look this stuff up. Thank you for the clarification!

[JacksonVirgo]

Wiz, what's your read on everybody as it stands?

[JacksonVirgo]

I do think Passenger is the most likely wolf here by a pretty large margin, although I'm also not sure I want to throw out a PR when they can be otherwise confirmed but honestly as they pretty much scum-claimed (this is an exaggeration but I believe they slipped wolf) so really we probably should throw them out tonight.

[AnimatedWiz]

So far, I feel like I townread Jackson and Steady decently enough—you both seem to be actively attempting to figure this out, and that reads as very trustworthy for me. I don’t feel like I can say anyone is definitely town, but it would surprise me right now if either of you flipped red.

Nurse is reading as town, but like that one townsperson who lives all the way off in the woods—distant and hard to understand, but not too untrustworthy. I’ve been a bit flip-floppy about him the entire game, but over Day 2 I’ve begun to feel like I can trust him—just at at arm’s length away from me.

ZZZX, BlueSnakelet, and Passenger all read as scum to me, but it’s odd—a big part of the reason for those reads is just how little information I feel I have about them. What information I do have feels incomplete, but suspicious, and I wonder if the lack of information is deliberate. Realistically, they all can’t be scum, so I hope I’m able to get more information to form a better read on them.

Notably, Passenger’s claims make me very suspicious of him—I don’t feel like their arguments have come together as a solid defense, but I’m fine to not eliminate them today so that we can get more information through Nurse.

[JacksonVirgo]

I believe we got the same town-core, so that gives me some confidence. I'm a little less sure on Steady because of a few of their posts but overall I believe both him and you are Town. Nurse I had initially pinned as Town too but they haven't been here for me to discuss with so that's dropping pretty substantially.
I don't particularly have a read on Blue one way or another, a few of their posts I felt were extremely weird and I've tried speaking to them about it in the Neighbourhood PT but they have been just as active there as they have here, that is hardly.

ZZZ I've read as scum from my first initial catch-up, which you haven't responded to just told me you liked it. Do you have any particular thoughts on the things I've been calling ZZZX out on? You know my case on Passenger so I shouldn't need to rehash that. What do you mean by lack of information though?

Their claim is pretty awfully convenient for them and their actions aligns with being a wolf as well as I've called out. I'm beginning to honestly think having them be checked via Nurse is just wasted effort, I'd much rather have RN check the Doc claim as that's the claim that stands out the most but I do TR steady so maybe they should just check ZZZ as we flip Passenger so we can solve between Blue/ZZZ.

Unsure, but rn I'm probably opting to just throw out Passenger as it stands

[JacksonVirgo]

If Passenger is a wolf. It clears RN as RN was the primary push before I hopped on

[AnimatedWiz]

To be quite honest, ZZZX hasn't posted anything too in-depth (mostly a lot of one-sentence reads), which is why I don't feel I have too much to add onto your questioning of them. Obviously, the lack of information they've provided makes me a bit suspicious, but I do feel as if they're the least scummy out of the three I mentioned? It feels like Blue is really trying to work with ZZZX (claiming they were confirmed Villager, for instance), but I don't seem to see that same behavior coming from ZZZX (even before Blue became a prime suspect), which makes me feel it could be Blue trying to pocket ZZZX? Could certainly be wrong, though. Overall, I just don't feel strongly about ZZZX like I do about Blue and Passenger.

Checking the Doctor claim seems fine to me since it can help confirm our town core, but I wonder if checking out ZZZX would allow us to get a better idea of who to eliminate on D3?

[biancospino]

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