Open 882: Over-Easy Mafia [Game Over]

[Aureal]

and i don't really have anyone else i want to vote for so i guess i'll stay

Why do you even want to vote there anyway?

[RCEnigma]

I know how mafia goes…

[Save The Dragons]

For funzies

[Aureal]

What's not funzies about other wagons?

[Save The Dragons]

What other wagons

[Flower]

What other wagons

Just do a funny and flashwagon

[Doctor Drew]

Aureal, I didn't really have an issue with the content of your case on RC/Klazam(though like Flower, I don't think trying to nail the team on D1 always makes me say hmm, guess part of my issue with Bone in retrospect). It wasn't even a huge thing that made me think you were scum, again it was the initial vibe I got after reading your post. And I wasn't really scum reading Merlyn, but also not really town reading her, if anything I was starting to mean scum with her last few posts before she repped out.

Ironically enough you have acted like Bone did when I voted them, though in a more coherent sense lol(not a dig Bone I promise).....so if I may completely contradict myself, doubt you two would be buddies.

[Doctor Drew]

I know how mafia goes…

What did you mean by this?

[Alianna]

We're fine sheeping Alianna inside Klazam/Aureal/T-Bone rn

Why do you want to do that?

[Flower]

We're fine sheeping Alianna inside Klazam/Aureal/T-Bone rn

Why do you want to do that?

We think you're town and that there's probably scum in that list

[Alianna]

As far as your read on Merlyn goes, try imagining her posts coming from Black- does that change how you think of them? Having recently finally seen a whole town game from Merlyn, I think they have some commonalities; and after reading five pages of this game I had a read on her alignment and was not at all surprised to receive a town PM.

I thought about it for a little and I can kind of see the connection (and yes, I would be yelling "LOCKTOWN!" if those were Black's posts lol).
I really like this post, not quite sure how to explain why though. I guess I'd just be surprised if it was fake? I don't think it's 100% clearing but I feel Aureal!town in my soul and I don't want to vote there today.

Aureal I feel like you are setting me up here to take the fall regardless of klazams alignment and I’m not gonna lie, it’s not my jam.

How's that? If Klazam flipped town, obviously you're not scum partners. You could be scum white knighting a distressed townie I guess, but I don't see that I've said anything to that effect before this.

Great, now your preemptive defensiveness is making me consider that possibility. Thanks. :/

I'll second this.

[Alianna]

We're fine sheeping Alianna inside Klazam/Aureal/T-Bone rn

Why do you want to do that?

We think you're town and that there's probably scum in that list

Fair enough. (also why am I town?)
I'm townreading Aureal but would consider Klazam, would go back to T-Bone if I had to at EoD but was feeling pretty meh about voting them as I mentioned earlier.

[Klazam]

I'm kinda stuck here. Still think my two vote targets is the same, despite the replacement. I did like what drew had to say re coming out of gates hard.

[Klazam]

Also dont understand the thing about RCE and I being the same person.

[Alianna]

I'm kinda stuck here. Still think my two vote targets is the same, despite the replacement. I did like what drew had to say re coming out of gates hard.

Your two vote targets being Aureal and Flower?

[Klazam]

Right.

[T-Bone]

Come back to Flower and it's the leading wagon again.

[yessiree]

TBone do you got anything other than your flower/drew scumread

[Aureal]

I'm reading this yet again and I still just can't see it as a natural reaction.

That was fast lol. Was curious to the reaction from flower.

I think I’m parking my vote there still.

It’s hard for me to read through this mix of jokey reasons and serious reasonings. TBone I think is town, yes probably is town.

Merlyn, I’m eh not sure on.

Since I’m in hammer range, if anyone got questions or want me to give my opinions on whatever, ask away. I’ll try to watch the thread for the next few hours.

This is just playing it way too cool. It's a mix of jokey and serious reasonings that are hard to read, according to Klazam. In a townKlazam world, isn't this something that should be alarming, that day could end like this with what he knows to be a town miselimination and such a hard to read gamestate?

Sure. I think it’s more an approach thing. Hard for me to substantiate it, but I like the confidence he had.

The lolhammer part, I get and think it’s mostly null, it’s page 5 after all, I don’t think that things like that is particularly surprising. In fact I’m surprised someone didn’t lolhammer yet. I probably would in someone else’s shoes.

And this. I just can't. He's

surprised

someone hasn't lolhammered?

Klazam, can you cite me some games you've seen where someone gets lolhammered in the first 48 hours of the game? While it's a thing that

could

happen, I simply cannot believe that you actually believe it to be the

most likely

thing to happen.

[Aureal]

Aureal, I didn't really have an issue with the content of your case on RC/Klazam(though like Flower, I don't think trying to nail the team on D1 always makes me say hmm, guess part of my issue with Bone in retrospect). It wasn't even a huge thing that made me think you were scum, again it was the initial vibe I got after reading your post. And I wasn't really scum reading Merlyn, but also not really town reading her, if anything I was starting to mean scum with her last few posts before she repped out.

Ironically enough you have acted like Bone did when I voted them, though in a more coherent sense lol(not a dig Bone I promise).....so if I may completely contradict myself, doubt you two would be buddies.

I really can't parse what you're trying to say in the parentheses.

Can you explain what you were thinking when you 'threw down the pagetop' after T-Bone threatened to hammer Klazam if he got the pagetop?

Also dont understand the thing about RCE and I being the same person.

You're basically making the same arguments/having the same mindset. T-Bone is saying scum wouldn't work in such similar manners, he expects them to try to differentiate themselves.

TBone do you got anything other than your flower/drew scumread

When did it become Drew instead of you?

[Alianna]

I'm reading this yet again and I still just can't see it as a natural reaction.

That was fast lol. Was curious to the reaction from flower.

I think I’m parking my vote there still.

It’s hard for me to read through this mix of jokey reasons and serious reasonings. TBone I think is town, yes probably is town.

Merlyn, I’m eh not sure on.

Since I’m in hammer range, if anyone got questions or want me to give my opinions on whatever, ask away. I’ll try to watch the thread for the next few hours.

This is just playing it way too cool. It's a mix of jokey and serious reasonings that are hard to read, according to Klazam. In a townKlazam world, isn't this something that should be alarming, that day could end like this with what he knows to be a town miselimination and such a hard to read gamestate?

Sure. I think it’s more an approach thing. Hard for me to substantiate it, but I like the confidence he had.

The lolhammer part, I get and think it’s mostly null, it’s page 5 after all, I don’t think that things like that is particularly surprising. In fact I’m surprised someone didn’t lolhammer yet. I probably would in someone else’s shoes.

And this. I just can't. He's

surprised

someone hasn't lolhammered?

Klazam, can you cite me some games you've seen where someone gets lolhammered in the first 48 hours of the game? While it's a thing that

could

happen, I simply cannot believe that you actually believe it to be the

most likely

thing to happen.

I was originally townleaning the calm reaction because it seemed odd for scum to be that chill if they think they're about to die and lose half their team on page 4.
This is convincing though, I didn't look at it from that angle. I'll join you.

VOTE: Klazam

[yessiree]

TBone do you got anything other than your flower/drew scumread

When did it become Drew instead of you?

TBone's "solve" on flower and I was mainly drawn from how he felt flower's interaction with me is different comes to others
his scumread on me switched to Drew when Drew went after TBone for it

oddly enough now that you mention it, TBone didn't drop his flower sr

[yessiree]

Aureal is making me feel hella bad for pushing Merlyn now

VOTE: Klazam

[Klazam]

Hm.

Might be a different time I guess. I’m pretty sure that did happen in smaller games when I played before. Long time ago and I could be horribly misremembering, meh.

Also I think I have a different view on going to e-1 than others do- if I’m eliminated, I wanted to use that opportunity to get as much thoughts out from a conftown slot I could for future days. I do not want to say any more than that. If we wanna circle back to me being the elim for today, feel free, but yeah I’m pretty sure you’re scum aureal.

[Aureal]

TBone do you got anything other than your flower/drew scumread

When did it become Drew instead of you?

TBone's "solve" on flower and I was mainly drawn from how he felt flower's interaction with me is different comes to others
his scumread on me switched to Drew when Drew went after TBone for it

oddly enough now that you mention it, TBone didn't drop his flower sr

I'm unclear whether T-Bone thinks Drew is scum or just hated the way Drew reacted to his solve. His line about Drew's partner equity being the same with everyone including the mods actually implies to me that he thinks Drew is town, though I'm not completely sure on that. T-Bone displayed a similar disdain for Alianna's support of Drew's reaction. I'm sure he doesn't think the scumteam is all four of you. But I'm not clear where exactly he's standing in regard to who's most likely scum at this point other than Flower being at the top of the list (whom he's scumread independently).

Hm.

Might be a different time I guess. I’m pretty sure that did happen in smaller games when I played before. Long time ago and I could be horribly misremembering, meh.

I wanna point out that I joined the site five years before you did and I'm particularly grumpy at the idea of days ending in quick lolhammers. I can't speak to how the meta might have been from 2007-2022 though.

Also I think I have a different view on going to e-1 than others do- if I’m eliminated, I wanted to use that opportunity to get as much thoughts out from a conftown slot I could for future days. I do not want to say any more than that. If we wanna circle back to me being the elim for today, feel free, but yeah I’m pretty sure you’re scum aureal.

But why? Your argument on my slot being scum is basically that Merlyn...

didn't

lolhammer you? You're saying scum wouldn't do that because it would make them look scummy and they don't want that suspicion, right? But if lolhammers are so expected and normal, why would scum feel worried about doing so?