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[the worst]

jv/zzzx seems like the more likely world

obviously an actual catch-up is pending likely when i get off work

[AnimatedWiz]

The false Neighbor wouldn’t trigger a positive result until a Neighbor has died, since it wouldn’t have access to any communication channels until then—could help confirm that claim, I suppose.

[the worst]

literally just reopened the thread to check if anyone had verified that, thanks. i haven't played much lately.

i suppose like, as usual, TA clears are a lot more valuable than guilties given hood WIFOM

[the worst]

hindsight is 20/20 so huge pinch of salt but as of page 3, i think my pred + passenger are really towny

[the worst]

as of page 4 i understand why we're at page 20 on day 3 lmao

between a pg4 lolhammer and the nightkill on hu tao who like.. i don't think was like doing anything... i am floored

i will recover from this and get to work i swear

[Random Nurse]

I'm inclined towards believing the investigative claim if there isn't a cc because frankly, backup neighbour seems like a (neat) gimmick to avoid ⅓ of the plist being in the same hood and an indecisive doctor isn't really enough town power

Thinking about it now actually an indecisive doctor tends to suggest the existence of an investigative role of some kind, since they're like indecisive to avoid a "follow the cop" situation


pedit: you're my favourite.

Traffic analyst is such an interesting choice of investigative tbh I guess there's like, the false guilty on the backup neighbour?

Backup Neighbor doesn't get a Guilty if it hasn't replaced a Neighbor yet. However if it did turn up as having private communication before replacing a Neighbor that'd mean that person is Scum.

[the worst]

fmpov there's kind of two worlds here

1- RN is actually a town power role, who saw an opportunity to get off a policy lim d1 (for better or for worse) and took it, trusting his own ability to get off some shots before being run up and mechanically solve the game.

2- RN is scum who saw the opportunity to end d1 prematurely and swing a TPR claim to get the heat off himself. if we're in this world, then RN also did this knowing that he wouldn't be targeted by an investigative role n1 and like,, i just feel like this is really not all that high probability a world

[the worst]

actually reading this thread for the first time with the advance knowledge that RN is claiming TPR just makes it really hard for me to see any scum motive there at all. it feels like a risk not worth taking if he isn't sincere.

rn i'm being precautious, and i think wiz is independently very towny, but can i please verify that you aren't fakeclaiming your clear on wiz?

if you aren't then the scumteam is like, near-confirmed to me

[the worst]

I don’t doubt that BlueSnakelet and heiphizhu are neighbors, but my theory is that they are Mafia Neighbors who are informed that there is a backup neighbor in the game so they have to do scum theater in that neighborhood in case one of them dies and the Backup comes into the hood and is protected by the doctor???

holy shit like. unfortunately i know this is not the setup but i think this is the coolest hood setup concept i've ever heard.

[the worst]

jv's catch-up is like... really scummy y'all

[the worst]

i've just skimmed. if anyone is not locked on me being scum in the hood, please work with me. this isn't going to be easy by any stretch but this game is still winnable.



zzzx is just not an easy read. they have done very little this game. they were a passive presence on d1, picked a fight with rn over mechanical play instead of solving d2, and their end of day readlist feels largely very safe, and in part an excuse to pivot onto a passenger lim which they had already decided on before they actually did their catch-up? without the mechanical information we had i think i'd be null/scum on this slot and kinda just drag zzzx about their behaviour d2 but like. as it stands, pending rn's confirmation, i'm pretty sure zzzx is also confirmed scum to me. so there's that.

jackson has turned this game around in a way which is just, like, very scum-aligned. their slot was the larger wagon at the time of their replace-in, their pred did not look great and they did need to do something to turn it around. their catchup posts were superficially fine, but what they actually accomplished were:
- establishing blue as potential hoodscum, pretty much ignoring the 2x scum hood analysis? .... which like, as a townie in the hood, this feels fairly pertinent to me but i'll circle back to this
- establishing passenger as potential hoodscum, and then ultimately heavily driving this read based on passenger being "caught in a lie". this is a fairly common scum tactic where they latch onto a perceived untruth at the expense of further solving.
- sets zzzx up as a scumread, and does a lot to be seen to be scumreading them. but never actually pushes zzzx. jackson briefly voted for zzzx, but you can see they take the first opportunity to shift off this wagon.

none of these present as earnest scumreads. there is also a marked difference in the way jackson manoeuvres around zzzx's slot vs. the way they talk about my slot and passenger. they are doing as much as they can to keep doors for potential eliminations open, rather than actually find townreads & limit the pool of suspects.

the way they ignore the conversation about a potential 2x scum hood is also pinging because fmpov it's clearly in jackson's best interest to let that wifom live on in the hopes that if they are caught, i'm still a viable misyeet after them.



i also think blue was really towny? their day one posts weren't exactly groundbreaking, but i don't think their reads presented as made-up and i think it's noticeable that they were approaching this game from a perspective of sorting alignments, not a perspective of making friends and getting by. their day two posts also feel really pure from where i stand - they read as someone who was manipulated, not the manipulator.




i'm going to keep this pretty summary. i'm wary that this is literally confirmed fmpov. i doubt that me extensively casing a jv/zzzx team is all that valuable, and i doubt that extensively towncasing blue is going to be all that helpful. i kind of need to know where y'all are at right now.

[Random Nurse]

I wonder if it could be a Worst/ZZZX team.

[the worst]

I wonder if it could be a Worst/ZZZX team.

talk me through this? i know that this isn't the team but i'm hoping i can be of some kind of help with seeing it.

[the worst]

I wonder if it could be a Worst/ZZZX team.

also sorry this is over the top but please put me out of my misery

rn i'm being precautious, and i think wiz is independently very towny, but can i please verify that you aren't fakeclaiming your clear on wiz?

[AnimatedWiz]

i also think blue was really towny? their day one posts weren't exactly groundbreaking, but i don't think their reads presented as made-up and i think it's noticeable that they were approaching this game from a perspective of sorting alignments, not a perspective of making friends and getting by. their day two posts also feel really pure from where i stand - they read as someone who was manipulated, not the manipulator.

If you don’t mind me asking, who do you feel manipulated Blue?

Also, it seems to me like the general consensus is some combination of ZZZX, Jackson, and worst is our scumteam, which isn’t horrible odds for us to pick from—2/3 is better than 2/5 for sure.

[JacksonVirgo]

Well... me not having any strong scum reads is a bit annoying innit.

Lack of reads is a common scum-tell owo.

Also, why would you open up discussion only to just hammer and stop the discussion?

[JacksonVirgo]

scum-reads*

[JacksonVirgo]

Ergo, from where I'm sitting, I will not ever be voting him this game.

That's fine, I town-read him anyway.

[JacksonVirgo]

Well, while it’s nice to be confirmed by you, I fear we still have the main choice between the neighbors just as difficult to make. I personally feel like it’s the worst and ZZZX, but I can’t discount the possibility of Jackson being scum instead—but at least one of the neighbors is certainly scum.

I mean, if the solve is ZZZ with either ducky or me. We should be flipping ZZZ and then solve between ducky and me. I will case ducky super hard, as it's clear he's very very likely wolf. I think the only world he isn't is if RN is wolf and that's incredibly unlikely as I said when I made my D2 catch-up

[JacksonVirgo]

hindsight is 20/20 so huge pinch of salt but as of page 3, i think my pred + passenger are really towny

Your pred was a whole nothing burger with weird awkward logic

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