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Post Post #700 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:39 am

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Votecount 3-VIII (UNCHANGED)

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to hammer.


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Post Post #701 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:43 am

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In post 697, AnimatedWiz wrote: Okay, I’m catching on this morning’s posts now—I hope nothing too crazy happened while I was asleep.

I voted Worst, forcing to see if Scum would rapid-vote to hammer for game. Both ZZZX and JV posted, so I read that as only one of ZZZX or JV are Scum.

This means Worst is for sure Scum.

Once I'm killed tonight it'll be you, JV, and ZZZX. Whatever you do don't vote first. Have them vote each other, and then make the best choice you can for game. JV did mention about inconsistency in ZZZX's earlier post this morning. Also JV did not hammer with ZZZX when they were both here.
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Post Post #702 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:44 am

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What in the hell happened? So, apparently we have a Messenger who sent both ZZZX and Random Nurse messages? I’m not that Messenger, so I’m not sure who it is, because any of y’all could claim to receive a message but just be the Messenger instead.
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Post Post #703 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:47 am

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All 3 of the remaining have had ample time to reveal they're the Mailman, but they haven't, so if they're withholding that then the Mailman is Scum.
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Post Post #704 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:48 am

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Also, to confirm for all, Wiz and I aren't both Scum because we would have been hammering Worst immediately right now.
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Post Post #705 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:48 am

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That would make sense. Based on all I’ve read here…

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Post Post #706 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:50 am

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In post 688, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 685, Random Nurse wrote: Jackson, you're online right now.

Come in and post!
Oh I forgot to say it here too. Ima copy paste

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If you have even five minutes please vote for Worst.
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Post Post #707 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:54 am

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I'm planning to hammer. I don't think you're a wolf but you claimed TA and barely had any response to the existence of a Mailman. Why is that?
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Post Post #708 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:55 am

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When a Mailman gives you a positive result
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Post Post #709 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:57 am

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In post 707, JacksonVirgo wrote: I'm planning to hammer. I don't think you're a wolf but you claimed TA and barely had any response to the existence of a Mailman. Why is that?

Does it give a positive result to Traffic Analyst?

If so, I actually didn't know that.

I just got the letter, followed the command, but I felt it really didn't mean much or do anything.
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Post Post #710 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:59 am

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It gives a positive yeah. Meaning, the mailman is either one of the neighbours. Which makes absolutely no sense mechanically. Or it's zzz, and they are obviously avoiding claiming it.
Wiz also made the insight that mailman might be fake-claiming it themselves to hide.
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Post Post #711 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:01 am

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"Note that merely having access to a private topic is not necessarily enough to be able to communicate; there will have to be a second living player in the private topic in question to communicate with. To be precise, the role will give a "can communicate" result on a player who shares a private topic with another living player, and also on roles that can use active roles to relay messages via the moderator (such as Mailman); and a "cannot communicate" result on anyone else. (In particular, a Neighborizer will give a "cannot communicate" result unless they have another living player in their private topic.)"
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Post Post #712 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:01 am

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In post 710, JacksonVirgo wrote: It gives a positive yeah. Meaning, the mailman is either one of the neighbours. Which makes absolutely no sense mechanically. Or it's zzz, and they are obviously avoiding claiming it.
Wiz also made the insight that mailman might be fake-claiming it themselves to hide.

I just checked the wiki and yeah Mailman is included as "can communicate," which is interesting. I had targeted Hu Tao Night 1 and Animated Wiz Night 2.
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Post Post #713 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:02 am

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Also if JV was Scum and Worst was Town, JV would have hammered immediately for game.

So there's no way both he and ZZZX are Scum. It's one of the other.
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Post Post #714 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:02 am

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In post 712, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 710, JacksonVirgo wrote: It gives a positive yeah. Meaning, the mailman is either one of the neighbours. Which makes absolutely no sense mechanically. Or it's zzz, and they are obviously avoiding claiming it.
Wiz also made the insight that mailman might be fake-claiming it themselves to hide.

I just checked the wiki and yeah Mailman is included as "can communicate," which is interesting. I had targeted Hu Tao Night 1 and Animated Wiz Night 2.
Mhm meaning it's you or zzz. And you being a mailman and a TA is just the dumbest thing. So is giving that clearing option to a neighbour. So it's literally just zzz and you.
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Post Post #715 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:04 am

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In post 713, Random Nurse wrote: Also if JV was Scum and Worst was Town, JV would have hammered immediately for game.

So there's no way both he and ZZZX are Scum. It's one of the other.
I appreciate you're pure balls with that btw and I'm glad you didn't do that with me cuz that would have landed us into a loss.
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Post Post #716 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:06 am

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In post 714, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 712, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 710, JacksonVirgo wrote: It gives a positive yeah. Meaning, the mailman is either one of the neighbours. Which makes absolutely no sense mechanically. Or it's zzz, and they are obviously avoiding claiming it.
Wiz also made the insight that mailman might be fake-claiming it themselves to hide.

I just checked the wiki and yeah Mailman is included as "can communicate," which is interesting. I had targeted Hu Tao Night 1 and Animated Wiz Night 2.
Mhm meaning it's you or zzz. And you being a mailman and a TA is just the dumbest thing. So is giving that clearing option to a neighbour. So it's literally just zzz and you.

I don't understand why you're saying it's me and ZZZX. Please explain: I'm Townreading you and I'm certain it's Worst and one of you or ZZZX, but I'm leaning on ZZZX who feels like he's given up/lacks the resistance and paranoia that you're currently giving off, which signals to me that you're Town or very good as Scum.
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Post Post #717 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:06 am

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Wait, couldn’t JV not hammering also mean that they’re both scum? And just trying to finish D3 instead of risking a D4?
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Post Post #718 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:07 am

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In post 715, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 713, Random Nurse wrote: Also if JV was Scum and Worst was Town, JV would have hammered immediately for game.

So there's no way both he and ZZZX are Scum. It's one of the other.
I could slightly feel the disappointment in ZZZX's tone immediately after I unvoted.

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Post Post #719 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:07 am

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Here's why I think ZZZ is the Mailman though.

1. It can't be Wiz due to your check.
2. It can't be you because mechanically it doesn't make sense. It's also confirmed to not be you and ZZZ I think due to being in hammer range.
3. It can't be the neighbours as the same reason as RN it doesn't make sense. They're already clear from the TA. And the TA is the focus of this setup hence why the doc and the neighbours all exist.
4. What scum mailman would target ZZZ last night. That makes zero sense
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Post Post #720 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:08 am

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Oh wait, you said Jackson and ZZZX, not Jackson and the worst. I need to double check this stuff.
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Post Post #721 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:09 am

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In post 716, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 714, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 712, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 710, JacksonVirgo wrote: It gives a positive yeah. Meaning, the mailman is either one of the neighbours. Which makes absolutely no sense mechanically. Or it's zzz, and they are obviously avoiding claiming it.
Wiz also made the insight that mailman might be fake-claiming it themselves to hide.

I just checked the wiki and yeah Mailman is included as "can communicate," which is interesting. I had targeted Hu Tao Night 1 and Animated Wiz Night 2.
Mhm meaning it's you or zzz. And you being a mailman and a TA is just the dumbest thing. So is giving that clearing option to a neighbour. So it's literally just zzz and you.

I don't understand why you're saying it's me and ZZZX. Please explain: I'm Townreading you and I'm certain it's Worst and one of you or ZZZX, but I'm leaning on ZZZX who feels like he's given up/lacks the resistance and paranoia that you're currently giving off, which signals to me that you're Town or very good as Scum.
Oh. I'm saying as the Mailman options it's only you both and I don't think it's you.
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Post Post #722 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:12 am

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It could be possible that there aren’t any actual Neighbors if both Jackson and the worst were scumteam and one was informed about the existence of a Backup Neighbor. This way, one could be a Werewolf Messenger and the other could be a Informed Werewolf, and they would still have good defense if a TA checked either.
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Post Post #723 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:14 am

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In post 722, AnimatedWiz wrote: It could be possible that there aren’t any actual Neighbors if both Jackson and the worst were scumteam and one was informed about the existence of a Backup Neighbor. This way, one could be a Werewolf Messenger and the other could be a Informed Werewolf, and they would still have good defense if a TA checked either.
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Post Post #724 (ISO) » Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:16 am

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I’m not saying it’s definitely the case, but I’m countering the argument that it could only be ZZZX and Random Nurse.
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