Datisi's University [game over!]

[Ranger]

I should work on a paraphrase of Enchant's message to prove he did send to me N3.

Paraphrased;
Enchant told me the message was from him, and he's 3p. He shared his wincon was to be expelled. He said if he leaves by any other means or lives to endgame, he loses.
He said he'd be a Beloved Princess if voted out, handing scum extra kills. He commented on how, yes, town's punished for voting out nontown.
He shared his flavor, and claimed 2x mailman + 2x crier. He targeted Aristeia N2, explaining his role to her, but she died.

He claimed his ascetic, and why he believed that meant there was no town ascetic.
His fakeclaim was Social Media Engineer.

His information is the scum have a PR costing 10SPR to learn the 3p wincon. He believed they already had done it, looking for slots trying to get nightkilled.

He said he'd support all ideas I put forth, and would confirm any claims. He said he'd vote by me. He said he wouldn't side against town, barring site rules mandating it (3p).

His only conditions were to not reveal him as 3p, and to try and trick scum into killing him. (Since I was already planning a cop fakeclaim...)

He didn't need to provide evidence for me to believe him, yet did anyway, asking why there's a

loyal

Vig, an exploder, and a loyal babysitter, with an implication.

He also said if he did die to say hi to Norwee.

[Titus]

I think it's probably town though. If Enchant messages Ranger, and Ranger is scum, there is no incentive for Ranger to actually kill Enchant, right?

Ranger discredits the theory that she's 3p. There is motive there.

Well, this is only true if RCE is also scum, right?

Not necessarily. If Ranger's scum that could not kill, then RCE's result isn't fake. They could be scum together but that's a real aggressive gambit in a game that is likely role madness.

[KatyKimFanClub]

He also said if he did die to say hi to Norwee.

Is there an implication here?

[Ranger]

I knew Ranger was lying. I knew she was survivalistic. Now, we know she's not 3p.

So the question becomes: Is Ranger scum that couldn't expel because she was blocked when RCE investigated her or is she town pissed off that she was caught lying?

In the very unlikely event you're town, consider this;
RCEnigma investigated me and has a result indicating I can't kill, indicating I can't be scum.
Enchant was 3p, indicating I can't be 3p.
By process of elimination, if I can't be scum and can't be 3p, I am town.

I was pushing hard for a furtiveglance elimination since midway through D2. I preferred furtiveglance as an elimination over camelCasedSnivy (D2) and GuiltyLion (D4).

I've been pushing

against

eliminations on town every single day phase.

I was the heavy resistance to GuiltyLion's wagon.

What does this all imply, if conftown was pushing for a wagon and then the counterwagon

not supported by conftown

went through on town?

[KatyKimFanClub]

Not necessarily. If Ranger's scum that could not kill, then RCE's result isn't fake. They could be scum together but that's a real aggressive gambit in a game that is likely role madness.

I thought about this for a bit. My assumption was that scum was multi-tasking and thus Ranger could only be a traitor or traitor equivalent then?

[Titus]

He also said if he did die to say hi to Norwee.

Is there an implication here?

Yes most likely.

It's also going to set up a fallacy but I am not going to ninja that.

I will crumb my common sense objection with a legal one. Hearsay.

[Ranger]

You've been lying all game but you expect us to believe you

now

?

Well, Enchant claimed to have targeted Aristeia N2.
Enchant's role contains redacted information; I shared information not public.
Enchant was supporting me all of yesterday.
Since I claimed an innocent on him yesterday, it's safe to say he knew my claim was fake yet supported it anyway.

As for why I'd be believed right now:
If Enchant did message me, I wouldn't give town a double-elimination by killing him if scum.
I have RCEnigma clearing me from being able to kill, implying I'm not scum.
As I'm not scum: does it matter if I'm lying or not? I'm not 3p, and I'm not scum.

I'm telling the truth now though because there's no further benefit to lying. I also accidentally slipped up once about thinking RCEnigma had vanilla copped me.

[Titus]

I knew Ranger was lying. I knew she was survivalistic. Now, we know she's not 3p.

So the question becomes: Is Ranger scum that couldn't expel because she was blocked when RCE investigated her or is she town pissed off that she was caught lying?

In the very unlikely event you're town, consider this;
RCEnigma investigated me and has a result indicating I can't kill, indicating I can't be scum.
Enchant was 3p, indicating I can't be 3p.
By process of elimination, if I can't be scum and can't be 3p, I am town.

I was pushing hard for a furtiveglance elimination since midway through D2. I preferred furtiveglance as an elimination over camelCasedSnivy (D2) and GuiltyLion (D4).

I've been pushing

against

eliminations on town every single day phase.

I was the heavy resistance to GuiltyLion's wagon.

What does this all imply, if conftown was pushing for a wagon and then the counterwagon

not supported by conftown

went through on town?

I am working through this with my townreads. Stomaching a scumread when I was right is a hard ask. If you were town and arrogantly wrong on me, then why would I follow you anywhere? You were invested in being seen as right over being right.

[Titus]

You've been lying all game but you expect us to believe you

now

?

Well, Enchant claimed to have targeted Aristeia N2.
Enchant's role contains redacted information; I shared information not public.
Enchant was supporting me all of yesterday.
Since I claimed an innocent on him yesterday, it's safe to say he knew my claim was fake yet supported it anyway.

As for why I'd be believed right now:
If Enchant did message me, I wouldn't give town a double-elimination by killing him if scum.
I have RCEnigma clearing me from being able to kill, implying I'm not scum.
As I'm not scum: does it matter if I'm lying or not? I'm not 3p, and I'm not scum.

I'm telling the truth now though because there's no further benefit to lying. I also accidentally slipped up once about thinking RCEnigma had vanilla copped me.

The only benefit to you lying is we limmed a pr over a supposed vt

[Titus]

Benefit is sarcastic obviously

[Ranger]

He also said if he did die to say hi to Norwee.

Is there an implication here?

As far as I know: Enchant likes Norwee, and if he died N3, I could pass on his message/info to Norwee D4. If there's deeper meaning beyond that, idk.

[KatyKimFanClub]

The only benefit to you lying is we limmed a pr over a supposed vt

Eh, honestly, I will take most of the blame for that. I need to be more decisive with my reads and my play.

[Ranger]

You were invested in being seen as right over being right.

I'm certainly not the player who has done this in this game.

[Titus]

The only benefit to you lying is we limmed a pr over a supposed vt

Eh, honestly, I will take most of the blame for that. I need to be more decisive with my reads and my play.

Bullshit. You didn't lie and fuck up eveyone's reads from go.

[KatyKimFanClub]

I want to know furtive's result before giving any reads, but I spent some time re-calibrating overnight.

[Ranger]

The only benefit to you lying is we limmed a pr over a supposed vt

Nice try. You're trying to blame the GuiltyLion elim on me fakeclaiming when at the time of my fakeclaim,

I was already investigated as town

. My claim was on a slot which by ensuring we got nightkilled,

handed the town an extra elimination

.

There was no supposed VT in the lim pool yesterday and never would be.

The options yesterday were furtiveglance and GuiltyLion.

I, the

player investigated as town

, opposed the GuiltyLion elimination.

Your lies won't sway people into protecting furtiveglance

again

.

[Ranger]

You didn't lie and fuck up eveyone's reads from go.

I'd like to reiterate, I fakeclaimed on

day four

, after I had

already been investigated as town

.

The entirety of my play prior to D4 contains no lie to 'fuck up everyone'.

You're making things up and hoping nobody calls you out on it.

[Ranger]

{Dusa}
{RCEnigma}
{Alisae}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{Doctor Drew}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{WhemeStar}
{osuka}
{Titus}
{furtiveglance}

I actually still think this holds.

[Titus]

The only benefit to you lying is we limmed a pr over a supposed vt

Nice try. You're trying to blame the GuiltyLion elim on me fakeclaiming when at the time of my fakeclaim,

I was already investigated as town

. My claim was on a slot which by ensuring we got nightkilled,

handed the town an extra elimination

.

There was no supposed VT in the lim pool yesterday and never would be.

The options yesterday were furtiveglance and GuiltyLion.

I, the

player investigated as town

, opposed the GuiltyLion elimination.

Your lies won't sway people into protecting furtiveglance

again

.

If you would have been honest, we lim you instead of ccs. That was my point. You were sus d1 and d2. Yet you cared more about being here from go than honesty if town.

[Titus]

You didn't lie and fuck up eveyone's reads from go.

I'd like to reiterate, I fakeclaimed on

day four

, after I had

already been investigated as town

.

The entirety of my play prior to D4 contains no lie to 'fuck up everyone'.

You're making things up and hoping nobody calls you out on it.

Your first post claimed PR which was a lie.

[Ranger]

If you would have been honest, we lim you instead of ccs. That was my point. You were sus d1 and d2. Yet you cared more about being here from go than honesty if town.

I never was pushed to claim. You never had the support to eliminate me. I had a cop fakeclaim prepped. I never fired it off D1 or D2 because I was never pressured hardly enough to need to. You're still making things up. I never needed to claim because as it turns out, not enough players in the game ever supported my elimination. I never got closer than L-2.

I'm not going to claim "hey, this slot I vaguely think is town has claimed a PR, and I am a VT, please eliminate me who I know to be town over this PR claim who only might be town", which is what you are saying I

should

have done.

It's self-evident the goal should be to eliminate

scum

, and I knew an elimination on me wouldn't be an elimination on scum.

[Ranger]

Your first post claimed PR which was a lie.

And then I never was pushed hard enough to warrant claiming.

Given a fakeclaim loses value if it can't be used, I was fully ready to claim if ever placed to L-1. Players could've then debated if they believed my 1x cop which can be upgraded to daycop fakeclaim. I never got to L-1, so I never had a justification to. The closest I ever got was L-2; I looked at all the votes off and saw none of them supported a wagon on me, so I've known the entire game there wasn't support to eliminate me or even threaten it. I'd have popped the fakeclaim if there were. There wasn't.

[Titus]

Ranger, if you're town, you need to accept that you will not be the one to persuade me. You could be a traitor or groupscum that could not kill. The Enchant kill did confirm you were lying and that I was right not to trust you. However, it did disprove my main, but not only theory, that you were scum.

So, the question remains, can you be a traitor or group scum that couldn't kill? A traitor makes sense for an early, unprompted PR claim as people don't lim PRs and they can be protected.

I'd be an idiot to rush and lim furtiveglance before I worked with my townreads to get their opinion of you lying.

We likely lim furtiveglance here but I want to resolve

1) What's furtiveglance's result, if any?
2) Whether it's possible that you could be scum?
and
3) Reset my reads according to the information in the thread.

Calling me scum for knowing your shit stunk is making me want to discard everything. That's my right as a trier of fact. However, it's also my right (and probably smart) to take what I think is true and discard the rest.

I think furtiveglance is scum, so I am not discarding that. However, we're collectively dumbasses if we don't sort everything.

[Cephrir]

hello

i'm strongly entertaining not reading any of this and would appreciate a summary

[Titus]

Your first post claimed PR which was a lie.

And then I never was pushed hard enough to warrant claiming.

Given a fakeclaim loses value if it can't be used, I was fully ready to claim if ever placed to L-1. Players could've then debated if they believed my 1x cop which can be upgraded to daycop fakeclaim. I never got to L-1, so I never had a justification to. The closest I ever got was L-2; I looked at all the votes off and saw none of them supported a wagon on me, so I've known the entire game there wasn't support to eliminate me or even threaten it. I'd have popped the fakeclaim if there were. There wasn't.

No. You felt town was doing things wrong. We do thinks wrong with bad information. You put out bad information.

You didn't get pushed to claim territory because people believed your lie not because people thought your play was town. Those voting you were right to do so, as you were lying.

Now, if you had been run up and honest, we could assess your wagon looking for scum.

We can't do that.