Mini Normal 2313: I am sitting in a room (game over)

[BlackStar]

VOTE: Hu Tao

VOTE: Hu Tao

If Hu Tao flips scum I think Dann might flip scum too

What makes you say that?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Andante

wanna explain? was it my hammer? right, cause scum me does that.

I thought you were scum yesterday

[Hu Tao]

bob is one for sure, I have no idea where the ones outside bob is, but I wanna flip bob first, then go read. bob doesn't bus, so anything before now is probably useful for finding partners

I still think Bob is town. Why is he scum

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

Sorry, I thought that would be funny

This is the towniest thing you've done

[Hu Tao]

yall are the ones refusing to talk to me, ignoring anything I do say, I bring up legit points and you're like "VOTE ANDANTE"

yeah, this is town Andante

VOTE: Hu Tao

What is the correlation of voting me?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

If Hu Tao flips scum I think Dann might flip scum too

This vote seems weird to me.

[AnimatedWiz]

know what, I'm ending the day, maybe yall can think about this game overnight or something. if this flips scum like I think it will, bob's reaction to hammering this was scummy

VOTE: Afrayed

Like, I could come for Andante about waiting less than 20 minutes for people to talk before hammering Afrayed…

But Hu Tao, Black, Dann, and I

also

voted for them—she was just the last on a train we all were on. We really can’t come for Andante about hammering, and I think actually piling on this wagon is kind of scummy if the best reasoning is, “hammered someone you also voted for near the end of D1.”

Is there anyone on the wagon in particular you think is scummy then?

You forgot me btw

I was explicitly calling out the people who just voted for Andante but also were on the Afrayed wagon—you didn’t vote for her, so you weren’t included in that list.

Oh, and to answer your question, while Blackstar is still scummy to me (the vote then immediate unvote with the excuse of, “oh it would be funny” did nothing to help my view of him), I’m not a fan of my biggest townreads (Dann and Hu Tao) immediately jumping on her either.

And why have multiple people voted for Hu Tao? I get you doing it, Merlyn, but the rest of this wagon just voted

with

Hu Tao against Andante? It’s like y’all’re bending to any stiff breeze that blows in your direction.

[Hu Tao]

Still curious about Merlyn's vote then I'll give my thoughts

[Hu Tao]

I've gotten what I needed out of Andante.

VOTE: Black

This was by far the worst take/reaction

[Black]

It's a weak association read. Just a hunch really but I think I may be onto something. I think they are both kinda scummy individually, then there's two interactions between them that concern me

I need to look at this latest VC and see the state of this game.

Why do you need a vc to tell you the state of a game?

hu tao did you know Generic is an IC

hu tao did you know Generic is an IC

I just found this out trying to make a reads list and noticed that next to his name

sure you can be town for that

The above and below sequences seem like they could have been planned out. The above just doesn't feel natural. Hu Tao asks Generic a vague question and then supposedly goes and works on a reads list. Dann takes that vague question and assumes Hu is suspecting Generic as scum. Dann asks Hu if they know Generic is town, and Hu then comes back and says they just found this out when working on a reads list. The timing doesn't feel natural, and then Dann uses this as an excuse to townread Hu Tao for pretty much the rest of the day

The below interaction feels like it could be forced as a way for Dannflor to explain why he might be playing differently. Dann says he's not trying to be obv town which he can then use as a way to alleviate all future suspicious based on his game play

Dannflor seems off for some reason. But not sure why.

Dannflor seems off for some reason. But not sure why.

I’m intentionally playing a little different from how I normally do

I’m trying for a high degree of read accuracy rather than making myself obv town

[Black]

Idk, it kinda just feels like they might be scum together trying to create ways to artificially townread each other

[Black]

Hu Tao how many games have you played with Dann?

[Black]

I think the way Hu Tao joined the Afrayed wagon was pretty scummy. They spent all day unsure on Afrayed while actively pushing bluebug, BlackStar, and Andante and calling them likely scum. Then the wagon builds on Afrayed and suddenly they're cool with voting a relatively null slot? The reason in the bottom quote is that they don't like Afrayed's posts more than others, but I'm having a hard time believing Hu disliked his posts more than their top 3 scumreads

Blackstar I think flips scum here and should be the vote

charles is the definition of low hanging fruit

Agreed. Which makes me further think Star is scum

BlackStar/brightbluebug/Afrayed Knott?

I agree on the first at least. Not sure on the last 2

More everyone talks, the more I want Blackstar gone

Interesting- why?

He just seems the most scummy.

Sure I can do this

VOTE: afrayed

Sure I can do this

VOTE: afrayed

You've said this whole game that you weren't sure about him being scum, so why are you so ready to lim him now?

Because I don't like their posts as much as others

[Merlyn]

yall are the ones refusing to talk to me, ignoring anything I do say, I bring up legit points and you're like "VOTE ANDANTE"

yeah, this is town Andante

VOTE: Hu Tao

What is the correlation of voting me?

none. I don't like the way you got on the wagon yesterday

[Merlyn]

know what, I'm ending the day, maybe yall can think about this game overnight or something. if this flips scum like I think it will, bob's reaction to hammering this was scummy

VOTE: Afrayed

Like, I could come for Andante about waiting less than 20 minutes for people to talk before hammering Afrayed…

But Hu Tao, Black, Dann, and I

also

voted for them—she was just the last on a train we all were on. We really can’t come for Andante about hammering, and I think actually piling on this wagon is kind of scummy if the best reasoning is, “hammered someone you also voted for near the end of D1.”

Is there anyone on the wagon in particular you think is scummy then?

You forgot me btw

I was explicitly calling out the people who just voted for Andante but also were on the Afrayed wagon—you didn’t vote for her, so you weren’t included in that list.

Oh, and to answer your question, while Blackstar is still scummy to me (the vote then immediate unvote with the excuse of, “oh it would be funny” did nothing to help my view of him), I’m not a fan of my biggest townreads (Dann and Hu Tao) immediately jumping on her either.

And why have multiple people voted for Hu Tao? I get you doing it, Merlyn, but the rest of this wagon just voted

with

Hu Tao against Andante? It’s like y’all’re bending to any stiff breeze that blows in your direction.

Oh, okay, I get where you're coming from here. I could make a guess what was going on there but I'll let folx explain themselves

(and heads up Blackstar is a 'he'. Black is a 'she' though! It's a game filled with Blacks)

[AnimatedWiz]

(and heads up Blackstar is a 'he'. Black is a 'she' though! It's a game filled with Blacks)

Oh, I appreciate the notice! I don’t think I used the wrong pronouns in my last message, though? I used “him” for Blackstar and never referred to Black.

[AnimatedWiz]

(and heads up Blackstar is a 'he'. Black is a 'she' though! It's a game filled with Blacks)

Oh, I appreciate the notice! I don’t think I used the wrong pronouns in my last message, though? I used “him” for Blackstar and never referred to Black.

Oh, I realize what you mean now! The her at the end of the second paragraph was referring to Andante!

[Black]

Annie why are Dann and Hu Tao your biggest townreads?

[AnimatedWiz]

Annie why are Dann and Hu Tao your biggest townreads?

In my last game, Hu Tao was town and acted like this—a bit close to the chest at first but was willing to ask questions and take a stand. For D1, they were like that—they didn’t always explain everything immediately, but usually everything made sense and that consistency is a bit hard to take.

Dann’s different, since I’ve never played with him. He’s asking a lot of questions and seems to be be communicative despite saying he’s trying to be not too active—and I don’t think he was lying when he said he really is trying a new method of play. Mostly, this is just intuition, but he really just feels he’s just getting a bunch of information now and it’ll all unfold into some master trap he caught scum in later.

[AnimatedWiz]

*fake.

[Dannflor]

black are you thinking the scum team is me / hu tao / animatedwiz

[Dannflor]

I want the reasons behind the reads more than anything

Ah, fair.

brightbluebug - null. They haven't posted all too much about their own thoughts, mostly just asking questions about other peoples' reads. I'd like to see a bit more from them.
Charles510 - null. I'm just not sure how to read him.
Dannflor - town. The way he's been playing seems like he's trying to figure out the game. I think he believes what he's saying.
Hu Tao - town/null. They seem really focused on BlackStar, in a way that feels like a town with a strong scumread on someone. It's possible they're scum, but I don't see it as being likely. Actually, I think town/null describes my read on them better.
Andante - town. As I mentioned earlier, I generally tend to see aggression as towny, and that hasn't changed. Her playstyle just seems too... confident? for scum.
AnimatedWiz - scum. See 218.
bob3141 - town. His initial posts still feel town, where he was focused on pointing out bad logic. I'd like to see more from him, but what he has posted still reads as town to me.
Afrayed Knott - null. Not sure how to read them as well.
pisskop - IC
BlackStar - null. Third person I'm not sure of how to read... wonderful.
Merlyn - null. I haven't seen enough of her to be confident in a read.
Black - town. Her actions over the game overall seem to have been done in town's best interest. I'm not sure how to describe it, but her posts seem genuine.

I want the reasons behind the reads more than anything

Ah, Fair…

Hu Tao - town/null. They seem really focused on BlackStar, in a way that feels like a town with a strong scumread on someone. It's possible they're scum, but I don't see it as being likely. Actually, I think town/null describes my read on them better.

Actually, no, Hu Tao is just a town read. I need to stop being so paranoid about accidentally clearing scum, there’s no reason to doubt myself this much.

why is ah fair different in the second post

[Dannflor]

ok i have a new solve now

[Dannflor]

so

one is [

brightbluebug

]?
one in [

gumiguy

,

black

,

hu tao

]
one in [

afrayed knott

,

bob3141

,

merlyn

,

adant

e]?

[Dannflor]

anyways