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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:04 am

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Datisi gave the same coalition as you and then disappeared so
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:11 am

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I think I'm just being paranoid. I'm probably limmed if this is wrong aren't I? Your coal is good.
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:31 am

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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:14 am

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Damn, my reads are a mess right now.

Kinda feel good about THS, and weirdly worse about Merlyn.

I think I pulled a Klick and described them as scum but town read her for it.

Also, I know who you are Hero lol....you are playing a bit different though.
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:19 am

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In post 438, Hero at Heart wrote:
In post 434, implosion wrote: (i'll talk about the scum case on him in a bit but it seems like hero is particularly intransigent on him
lol i guess i am

you know what, can i ask a question?

if THS is town then who are potential scum candidates for you?
I feel like I'd look at mer again? I think for me, I get their and Ari's perspectives least.

I'm not sure I strongly see ths as scum anymore anyway
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:25 am

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In post 454, Bellaphant wrote:
In post 438, Hero at Heart wrote:
In post 434, implosion wrote: (i'll talk about the scum case on him in a bit but it seems like hero is particularly intransigent on him
lol i guess i am

you know what, can i ask a question?

if THS is town then who are potential scum candidates for you?
I feel like I'd look at mer again? I think for me, I get their and Ari's perspectives least.

I'm not sure I strongly see ths as scum anymore anyway
Your not just saying this because I just said this, right?
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:01 am

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In post 422, Doctor Drew wrote: Can we agree that Merlyn and THS are not buddies?

Conversely is this theater?

I am going back and forth tbh.
In post 423, Hero at Heart wrote: i think it might be theater

especially cause earlier THS wanted me to put merlyn in the coalition instead of ari but didn't offer himself
This is such a weird convo for two folx who claim to tr me to have
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:02 am

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In post 424, Hero at Heart wrote: merlyn i don't think you explained the "i would support you or ari but not both" thing yet, can you please explain that?
I didn't think there was anything to explain- I don't tr either of you so I'd rather not take two chances over one
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:04 am

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In post 456, Merlyn wrote:
In post 422, Doctor Drew wrote: Can we agree that Merlyn and THS are not buddies?

Conversely is this theater?

I am going back and forth tbh.
In post 423, Hero at Heart wrote: i think it might be theater

especially cause earlier THS wanted me to put merlyn in the coalition instead of ari but didn't offer himself
This is such a weird convo for two folx who claim to tr me to have
Well one of these folx has just said they are not sure about townMerlyn.

And there is something going on between you two.
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:09 am

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In post 453, Doctor Drew wrote: Also, I know who you are Hero lol....you are playing a bit different though.
that's what the alt is for, sí? to play different. es intencional.

Spoiler:
also, did give it away, or something else
(such as a little duck told you)
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:10 am

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In post 457, Merlyn wrote: I didn't think there was anything to explain- I don't tr either of you so I'd rather not take two chances over one
that makes no sense

why would you support someone you don't tr?
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:11 am

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In post 434, implosion wrote:
In post 390, Merlyn wrote: I would support you or ari, but not both. Sub out drew or myself for yourself or for ari and I will go along with this.
This is a sentiment that I don't understand. Why do you want to avoid a specific combination of two people in the coalition? Isn't that... not how a coalition works? Are you just trying to compromise? Doesn't asking for a compromise not make any sense if one of the people you distrust is the one making the decision of who to sub out for who?



The way hero is playing the game right now is very town and also annoying. I kind of hate the attitude of "well if this is wrong then woe is me, i'll just exit stage left". No, if this coalition goes through and is wrong then you don't get to magically shirk responsibility if you're town, you have to play the rest of the game.

I don't feel particularly confident in this coalition. I guess I feel also annoyed at the This Coalition Is Unilaterally Final thing. I like THS (i'll talk about the scum case on him in a bit but it seems like hero is particularly intransigent on him). I feel like Malakittens feels town from what posting she has and is a viable member of the coalition if she winds up showing up to the game more, which I'd theoretically like to give her a chance to do even if she doesn't get added to the coalition because, well, I don't feel as gung-ho as Hero does.

I don't really understand why Ari is just going along with a coalition that it seems like she thinks has decent odds of failing (given that she has expressed a townread on Hero but not on Datisi) after talking about how she's annoyed that she always gets put on failing coalitions as town.

I also don't really buy Hero's datisi-town case, it just reminds me of reasons I have incorrectly townread Datisi in the distant past. I do lean town on Bella but not with high confidence and I like her reason for townreading Datisi somewhat more but it is also pretty intangible because I don't think I've ever really seen things from Datisi-scum that made me want to actively scumread him in early days in past games like she describes, though I definitely believe that someone could.
I don't really understand your questions towards me. I'm offering a compromise bc if Hero accepts then there are more folks in the coalition that I tr. If THAT's not 'how a coalition works' then I don't know how a coalition works. I'd be the one 'making the decision who to sub out for who' bc I'm the one making the suggestion. I don't know if that phrasing makes any sense either way, though, bc I don't have the power to 'make the decision' for the coalition and neither does Hero. Even if he and I end up agreeing it doesn't mean three others will too. Re: distrust- his very acceptance or denial of the offer will also affect my read on him if this coalition fails.

I'm also not really understanding what you mean by 'this coalition is unilaterally final'. I don't think it's final, that's why I'm trying to suggest other options. If you don't agree with it, propose a different coalition?
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:12 am

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In post 456, Merlyn wrote: This is such a weird convo for two folx who claim to tr me to have
i sort off dropped the tr on you several pages ago
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:12 am

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In post 437, Hero at Heart wrote: lso, i agree with you that merlyn's perspective of either me or ari doesn't make sense because that's not how coalition works. i think merlyn is scummy for that.
I'm about to throw my hands up at this game and be done
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:15 am

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In post 460, Hero at Heart wrote:
In post 457, Merlyn wrote: I didn't think there was anything to explain- I don't tr either of you so I'd rather not take two chances over one
that makes no sense

why would you support someone you don't tr?
So, you genuinely believe that when the final coalition is made, it will be of all your townreads only, and four other people will have supported it, and you will not have to compromise on anything? Because I've been thinking there's no way that's going to happen and we will need to negotiate with each other
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:16 am

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In post 458, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 456, Merlyn wrote:
In post 422, Doctor Drew wrote: Can we agree that Merlyn and THS are not buddies?

Conversely is this theater?

I am going back and forth tbh.
In post 423, Hero at Heart wrote: i think it might be theater

especially cause earlier THS wanted me to put merlyn in the coalition instead of ari but didn't offer himself
This is such a weird convo for two folx who claim to tr me to have
Well one of these folx has just said they are not sure about townMerlyn.

And there is something going on between you two.
In post 462, Hero at Heart wrote:
In post 456, Merlyn wrote: This is such a weird convo for two folx who claim to tr me to have
i sort off dropped the tr on you several pages ago
Cool, I've done nothing differently so that's interesting
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:16 am

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In post 459, Hero at Heart wrote:
In post 453, Doctor Drew wrote: Also, I know who you are Hero lol....you are playing a bit different though.
that's what the alt is for, sí? to play different. es intencional.

Spoiler:
also, did give it away, or something else
(such as a little duck told you)
?
Oh shoot, I actually had it incorrect haha.....but now I got you :wink:
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:18 am

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In post 466, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 459, Hero at Heart wrote:
In post 453, Doctor Drew wrote: Also, I know who you are Hero lol....you are playing a bit different though.
that's what the alt is for, sí? to play different. es intencional.

Spoiler:
also, did give it away, or something else
(such as a little duck told you)
?
Oh shoot, I actually had it incorrect haha.....but now I got you :wink:
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:20 am

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can't believe i've been betrayed like this
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:53 am

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Started re-reading.

Ari seems better than I remembered. Asking questions I'd expect town to ask.

I don't feel very strongly about Bella being town anymore. She's played this pretty reactively.

Drew might be town because I can't think of why scum would make at this point in time.

Datisi seemed town.

Merlyn I could see going either way.

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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:08 pm

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Hero/Ari/Imp I don't see myself removing from the coalition. I'm still debating the other two slots.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:09 pm

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In post 469, TheHoldSteady wrote: Started re-reading.

Ari seems better than I remembered. Asking questions I'd expect town to ask.

I don't feel very strongly about Bella being town anymore. She's played this pretty reactively.

Drew might be town because I can't think of why scum would make at this point in time.

Datisi seemed town.

Merlyn I could see going either way.

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Did you maybe mean 167? 168 is a hero post.
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:11 pm

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Yeah, 167. Sorry.
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:32 pm

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In post 459, Hero at Heart wrote:
In post 453, Doctor Drew wrote: Also, I know who you are Hero lol....you are playing a bit different though.
that's what the alt is for, sí? to play different. es intencional.

Spoiler:
also, did give it away, or something else
(such as a little duck told you)
?
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:48 pm

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Replacing Datisi.
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