Cheese Thief | Game 1 Over

[mallowgeno]

I woke up at 1am

Popcorn

DragonEater

[DragonEater70]

I woke up at 3 AM

Skygazer

can go next

[Skygazer]

6am

silverclaw is last, ye?

[Silverclaw]

Also 6am

[DragonEater70]

Wait so is one of you two fakeclaiming 6 AM?

Thoughts I had from people's posting before massclaim:

Spoiler:

I think Silverclaw is

Sleepyhead

(Town)
Mallow and Snivy are probably not

Cheese

Thief

but can't rule out

Follower

Math is probably

Cheese

Thief

or woke up at 1 AM - will explain this next post

(you don't actually have to read, I'm just posting this for fun)

[camelCasedSnivy]

also no one claimed seeing cheese thief

does this imply cheese thief woke up alone

[camelCasedSnivy]

6am

silverclaw is last, ye?

Also 6am

did you two wake up together?

[Skygazer]

neither of us are fakeclaiming lol we woke up together

i think silverclaw missed the part about picking a fake time

[Silverclaw]

I just woke up so I would have forgotten about it yeah.

[NDMath]

Wait so is one of you two fakeclaiming 6 AM?

Thoughts I had from people's posting before massclaim:

Spoiler:

I think Silverclaw is

Sleepyhead

(Town)
Mallow and Snivy are probably not

Cheese

Thief

but can't rule out

Follower

Math is probably

Cheese

Thief

or woke up at 1 AM - will explain this next post

(you don't actually have to read, I'm just posting this for fun)

I'm still so confused as to what you're doing. You like want to claim you peaked me at 1 but are so hesitant to fully commit
But if there's two pairs & then us two that just makes you cheese thief unless you get your story straight.

[NDMath]

Like there's a world here where it's mallow with ccs follower, but I struggle to see how you're so accusatory towards me if you're town & with claims that just makes you cheese thief.

[DragonEater70]

Huh?

Why are you so sure I'm cheese thief again?

[DragonEater70]

Unless you are admitting you fake claimed?

[DragonEater70]

I kinda typed this whole post casing Math and then decided to not post it until I see how people react to previous stuff, and I think Math's reaction is really weird here.

But I just tried to look at it from his POV and it kinda makes sense?

Hmm

Let me think about it before I post my full thoughts.

[Skygazer]

feels good to be confirmed sleepy

[camelCasedSnivy]

not really

you could be a follower

btw de70, in your full thoughts can you tell me if you woke up alone or not?

[DragonEater70]

Math 2 quick questions:
1. Why did you call me a follower before massclaim?
2. Do you realize there's a follower so I don't have to be a cheese thief, since both of the other pairs according to your POV could be thief + follower?

pedit: I will snivy, dw

and yeah, SG (sorry if you hate this) ain't confirmed

[Skygazer]

feels good to be confirmed not the cheese thief

[Skygazer]

anyways how are we going to reveal who saw the cheese when? since silver claw and i woke up at 6am it goes without saying it was gone for us (or we would claim its gone for us i guess if we were paired)

[DragonEater70]

Not yet

I wanna hear Math's answers

[mallowgeno]

I totally forgot there was peeking since I woke up with someone O.O What were the peeks?

[camelCasedSnivy]

lets let de70 post his thoughts with if he woke up with someone first

[DragonEater70]

huh I was typing them up as this discourse happened

[DragonEater70]

This is my "Full Thoughts" post. I will include the entire case I made on Math in the spoiler below, then I can delve into what I currently think.

Spoiler: case I was alluding to in post #38

I think Math is the Cheese Thief.
It's a bit hard to precisely articulate my thought process, because this is a bit based on gut and a bit based on logic of the type that makes better sense in my head than when I say it (even though it ends up reaching the correct conclusion), but I'll try anyway.
So, I saw this post and it felt off to me:

I don't think lying about wake up time is as likely as you think it is, since if cheese thief or follower lie about their wake up time & somebody checked their die that just forces them into an unneccesary 1v1. However I do think the strategy is a good idea.

Why is this off? Well, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it's not like we're gonna have flips this game so I kinda have to. And looking at this post, I feel this is a TMI/Anti-TMI/Not-Trying-To-Solve Slip. Let me explain what this means.
Basically, in this game, unlike in Mafia, the Sleepyheads all have a piece of information (or actually 2), that would make it pretty obvious to them why the Cheese Thief should fake claim time (as otherwise, it would be extremely easy to spot the Cheese Thief). This information is (a) what time you woke up, and (b) what was the state of the cheese. and with this information, if everyone trueclaims time, it is possible to more or less pinpoint cheese thief.*
But there are two roles in the game which wouldn't realize what this information means, or that it is actually usable information: someone who woke up at 1 AM by themself, and a Cheese Thief (hope it's clear why).
And Math's mindset points to being either, with the claim ruling out waking up at 1 AM by themself (they could only wake up at 1 AM with Mallow, or wake up at 2 AM). So it sounds like he's just a thief.


*Hypothetically, let's say that only the cheese thief woke at 1 AM, and 1 player woke at 2 AM - it immediately becomes a 1v1 after claim, which is not good for cheese thief. So it shouldn't trueclaim normally.
However while writing this I realized that this 1v1 is not a guaranteed win for the Sleepyheads, since as Snivy pointed out the follower could probably break ties.

First, Snivy is very observant as he correctly deduced that he and I woke up at the same time! Just kidding (or am i?). But yeah, I did wake up with somebody else (Mallow, as I don't see a point hiding it now).

Furthermore, I kinda TR Skygazer's thinking that they are confirmed town despite not being confirmed. I will say though that they aren't even confirmed not Cheese Thief, because they can be the Thief with Silverclaw as the Follower. But since I TR both of them (independently of each other), I think it's an unlikely scenario (but not impossible).

So that leaves Mallow, Snivy, and Math.
Mallow is, by claim which no one CC'd yet, clear of being Cheese Thief. They could still be a follower.

Could Snivy be Math's follower? Maybe - I didn't actually think of this possibility. It's an interesting one.
Could Math be Snivy's follower? Probably not. I find it highly unlikely that the follower just popcorns the CT and forces them to fakeclaim early when they might get CC'd.
Could Mallow be Math's follower? Yes, and that's my current solve. Mallow's posting feels like follower posting, and Math's posting feels like CT posting. If I'm right, I expect Mallow to start shading me after this post and to (falsely) claim that Math is confirmed not CT to them.
Okay so what about Snivy as Math's follower again? Ugh, I guess it's possible. I don't really have a good argument for or against it. If you guys have an argument either way, I will be happy to hear it.

Edit: I guess the last 2 posts by Mallow and Snivy actually confused me a bit on which one of them could be the follower.
Oh, I forgot Mallow could be Snivy's follower. Hmmmmmmm, I'll get back to you about that.

[DragonEater70]

TLDR:
VOTE: Math