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[Skygazer]

VC 2.17

BlackStar

(4): pisskop, JacksonVirgo, Black, gob

gob

(2): Dannflor, bob3141

brightbluebug

(2): BlackStar, Andante

Merlyn

(1): AnimatedWiz

Black

(1): Hu Tao

bob3141

(1): brightbluebug

Not Voting

(1): Merlyn

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to smack a player really hard in the nose. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-10-08 22:15:00).

mod notes: The peeling commerce

[Merlyn]

okay so there's nothing new in the bug slot, that was easy.

Reading over Blackstar and Black interactions. I have a question for you, Black-

1494 is a fake post. There's no way Dannflor read over a game, decided it was enough to make BlackStar town, and then couldn't remember which game he read over when asked to talk about it. If that game truly convinced him BlackStar is townie, he would have provided more in 1494. Hell he would have shared this opinion

much

sooner, like when he read over the game. Instead he just casually brushed it off. It's a fake read, and I think it's a read scum!Dann makes regardless of BlackStar's alignment

This post really stuck out to me. Not necessarily in a scummy way, but in a way that confused me. If you're feeling this strongly, why vote for Blackstar over Dann? I do see you have sr or leaning sr on Blackstar for some stuff he said about JV, at a glance it looks pretty consistent. But this is such a strong statement- like, if you think it's a fake post for sure, why not vote for him?

[Merlyn]

For the folx voting him- what the case is on Blackstar? ISO'ing isn't helping.

[Merlyn]

gob and blackstar what are your raeds on each other?

I am null on BlackStar, basically.

[BlackStar, brightbluebug, bob3141, JacksonVirgo]

I think this is a pretty rock solid PoE from the Day 1 wagon. I've explained why before but if people need another explanation I can do it again.

Brightbluebug and Jackson/Charlie were the most recent to post and be off any wagon entirely.

Charlie/Jackson I gave that slot a pass before, but they actually posted the most recent of any of the non-voters. It was only one post though.

Between the two though BBB was way more active so VOTE: brightbluebug

Actually Black is right

VOTE: BlackStar

Can you elaborate?

Actually Black is right

VOTE: BlackStar

Can you elaborate?

BlackStar had 5 votes day 1 and then the wagon ultimately failed.

Bluebug is scummy but I was tunneling around the not-voting thing a bit too much. Fundamentally there isn't much of a difference between not-voting and being off the main wagon.

This reasoning and the speed of it doesn't ring true to me.

@Gob- what was Black right about here that changed your mind on Blackstar?

[Black]

If you're feeling this strongly, why vote for Blackstar over Dann? I do see you have sr or leaning sr on Blackstar for some stuff he said about JV, at a glance it looks pretty consistent. But this is such a strong statement- like, if you think it's a fake post for sure, why not vote for him?

At the time I was pretty sure they were scum together and I didn't want the wagon on BlackStar to fall apart. I think scum is pushing gob/bug and I didn't want momentum to shift to their wagons

[Black]

Speaking of bug. This slot just needs to be replaced. They are continuously going 3-4 days without posting. It's ridiculous

[AnimatedWiz]

Didn’t realize momentum had shifted back to BlackStar so fully.

VOTE: BlackStar

[Black]

That's e-2

I don't really like the way Annie was mediating during the conversation yesterday but somehow didn't pick up on the fact that we were pushing BlackStar

[Black]

If BlackStar flips green the team is probably Annie/Dannflor/Andante or something

[Merlyn]

And also what does the momentum have to do with it? What I mean is, are you saying you wouldn't be voting for them if momentum hadn't shifted their way or do you mean it some other way?

[BlackStar]

If BlackStar flips green the team is probably Annie/Dannflor/Andante or something

What makes you say that? If Andante is somehow scum then she deserves an Oscar lol.

[BlackStar]

And also what does the momentum have to do with it? What I mean is, are you saying you wouldn't be voting for them if momentum hadn't shifted their way or do you mean it some other way?

Wiz doesn’t make any move unless other people have already endorsed it

[Black]

And also what does the momentum have to do with it? What I mean is, are you saying you wouldn't be voting for them if momentum hadn't shifted their way or do you mean it some other way?

I voted for BlackStar because I thought he was scummy. I didn't want to move that vote to Dann because I want to fade scum and I didn't think I would be able to fade Dann today

[BlackStar]

And also what does the momentum have to do with it? What I mean is, are you saying you wouldn't be voting for them if momentum hadn't shifted their way or do you mean it some other way?

I voted for BlackStar because I thought he was scummy. I didn't want to move that vote to Dann because I want to fade scum and I didn't think I would be able to fade Dann today

If you want to fade scum then you should be on Bug or Gob

[Black]

If BlackStar flips green the team is probably Annie/Dannflor/Andante or something

What makes you say that? If Andante is somehow scum then she deserves an Oscar lol.

Yeah maybe Andante is ok. I'm just trying to consider a world where you're town. I think Dannflor/Annie are very likely scum in this world but I'm not sure who the third would be

[Merlyn]

And also what does the momentum have to do with it? What I mean is, are you saying you wouldn't be voting for them if momentum hadn't shifted their way or do you mean it some other way?

I voted for BlackStar because I thought he was scummy. I didn't want to move that vote to Dann because I want to fade scum and I didn't think I would be able to fade Dann today

this was directed to Annie, not you Black

[Black]

And also what does the momentum have to do with it? What I mean is, are you saying you wouldn't be voting for them if momentum hadn't shifted their way or do you mean it some other way?

I voted for BlackStar because I thought he was scummy. I didn't want to move that vote to Dann because I want to fade scum and I didn't think I would be able to fade Dann today

If you want to fade scum then you should be on Bug or Gob

I don't think Gob is scum and I think bug could very easily be a checked out townie. These are low-hanging fruit slots that provide zero information on a flip. I don't understand why people want them dead so bad. I think scum are pushing these slots

[BlackStar]

Here’s my case against gob

In Post 1177 he says that either Merlyn or Bug are scum before he even reads the game. That does not seem like the actions of someone who’s town.

In post 1779 he adds my name to the end of Afrayed’s wagon for some reason even though I never voted for him. Andante was the hammer, so where did that even come from? He proceeds to vote for Merlyn and say it’s PoE without explaining how.

Then he makes this weird post about the IC being hypocritical.

In post 1237 he quotes the VC from when Afrayed was lynched but asks a couple of us if we were there around the time of the hammer. He was obviously just looking at those pages of the game, so there’s no point in asking us this. It comes across as a phony attempt to look like he’s trying to figure things out.

Post 1580 was baffling to me. How could not placing a single vote all Day 1 and voting for someone besides the mis-limed townie be equal actions in his eyes? It just seemed like a lazy excuse to join the wagon.

[Skygazer]

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Seeking a replacement for brightbluebug.

[Black]

Here’s my case against gob

In Post 1177 he says that either Merlyn or Bug are scum before he even reads the game. That does not seem like the actions of someone who’s town.

In post 1779 he adds my name to the end of Afrayed’s wagon for some reason even though I never voted for him. Andante was the hammer, so where did that even come from? He proceeds to vote for Merlyn and say it’s PoE without explaining how.

Then he makes this weird post about the IC being hypocritical.

In post 1237 he quotes the VC from when Afrayed was lynched but asks a couple of us if we were there around the time of the hammer. He was obviously just looking at those pages of the game, so there’s no point in asking us this. It comes across as a phony attempt to look like he’s trying to figure things out.

Post 1580 was baffling to me. How could not placing a single vote all Day 1 and voting for someone besides the mis-limed townie be equal actions in his eyes? It just seemed like a lazy excuse to join the wagon.

This entire case could be explained by gob being bad at playing townie lol

Anyway I don't think Gob is scum and I'm starting to really doubt my read on you BlackStar. Care to join me on an Annie wagon?

VOTE: AnimatedWiz

[Black]

Wait why are you casing gob but voting for bug?

[AnimatedWiz]

And also what does the momentum have to do with it? What I mean is, are you saying you wouldn't be voting for them if momentum hadn't shifted their way or do you mean it some other way?

I’m saying that, similar to D1, I have multiple scumreads that have been wagons—originally I voted for BlackStar D2, then shifted to my second best scumread, Merlyn, since her wagon had far more support. Once the situation reversed and BlackStar’s wagon was a more realistic option, I returned back to my original vote.

I’m not going to stay on a vanity wagon if doing so means my vote is wasted—it’s not practical.

[AnimatedWiz]

VC 2.15

BlackStar

(3): pisskop, JacksonVirgo, Black

Merlyn

(3): AnimatedWiz, gob, bob3141

gob

(2): Dannflor, Andante

brightbluebug

(1): BlackStar

Black

(1): Hu Tao

bob3141

(1): brightbluebug

Not Voting

(1): Merlyn

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to smack a player really hard in the nose. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-10-08 22:15:00).

mod notes: The ceiling collapses

Also, this was literally the vote count just after I stopped actively participating in the thread for the day—you can see that both wagons are tied here.

[Black]

Annie can you go into why you think Merlyn is scum

[Skygazer]

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