Open 887: Coalition of Frogs (Game Over)

[Hero at Heart]

I agree with this post. No I'm not trying to pocket you, I think that would be pretty silly of me at this point. I went back and looked at the hammer and it does read like someone hammering on purpose.

yeah i didn't think you were trying to pocket me lol

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: implosion

Going with my gut.

Plus, I almost always am of the belief that scum would be more careful than town. I don't think scumStd enters the game as he did and hammer the coalition as he did.

[Ausuka]

Replacing Malakittens.

[Ausuka]

Votecount 1.10

It is currently the Elimination Phase. With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to confirm a coalition. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-10-11 14:11:19).

Elimination Votes

Save the Dragons (4)

- implosion, Merlyn, Aristeia, Hero at Heart

implosion (2)

- Save the Dragons, Doctor Drew

Aristeia (1)

- Bellaphant

Hero at Heart (1)

- TheHoldSteady

Not Voting (1)

- Malakittens

Flavour

[Merlyn]

vc. sorry for not getting a pagetop I will try harder next time

and I will try harder to stop you

[Ausuka]

RH9 replaces Malakittens.

[Hero at Heart]

Going with my gut.

i hate to be the guy who asks for an explanation of gut, but...

explain?

[Hero at Heart]

hi rh9!

[RH9]

My attempt at taking a hiatus failed.
Anyways, I'll read up some ISOs and form some preliminary reads.

[RH9]

hi rh9!

Hi!

[Hero at Heart]

if you want a recommendation, i personally think that pages 2-4, pages 9-11, page 15, and everything from page 19 onward should give you a basic understanding of the situation without having to read the entire game

[Hero at Heart]

of course you can just go and read the entire game, i won't stop you

[Doctor Drew]

Going with my gut.

i hate to be the guy who asks for an explanation of gut, but...

explain?

If it is Ari, I would say with Mala or Merlyn.

I think we probably have a deep wolf though.

I can't help to remember how Implo and I clashed, then they backed off.....after referencing a previous game where they came after me when I was town (and they were town as well, I believe?).

Like I can't shake the feeling that they mentioned it on purpose to be like 'Hey Drew, I do this as town sometimes.....and look at me doing again here! I must be town, right?'

When all else fails I need to go to my special Drew place in my head.

[Doctor Drew]

Also since no one else wants to say it, std is at E-1

[Doctor Drew]

My attempt at taking a hiatus failed.
Anyways, I'll read up some ISOs and form some preliminary reads.

Also hello!

[RH9]

I don't think I'd want STD today.
His ISO doesn't feel agenda-y at all.

[RH9]

I need to look back at implo's scumgame but rn he feels nullish.

[RH9]

implo likes mech though so scum!implo would probably have a strategy that involves it.

[RH9]

Though, I'll tentatively VOTE: implo because I feel like STD's hammer could a genuine mistake and implo's using it against him.
Also, the focus on Datisi.

[RH9]

Also, STD could've been genuinely TRing the people in the coalition at that time.

[implosion]

STD's 604 and 605 is a whole lot of words to say "eh, it could be anyone" and then essentially call one person on the coalition town and vote the person voting him. Calling 156 an attempt to "sew discord where there's not much going on yet" is like, him calling me scummy for throwing out a read when no one was really throwing out many reads, as far as I can tell? and like... what?

I somewhat like Merlyn's posting on page 25.

[implosion]

Though, I'll tentatively VOTE: implo because I feel like STD's hammer could a genuine mistake and implo's using it against him.
Also, the focus on Datisi.

Honestly, this post is baffling. "could be a genuine mistake and implo's using it against him" is an argument that just lacks any curiosity or desire to interrogate the hammer. Or me and my play for that matter. Do you think it was a genuine mistake? Why do you think it was a genuine mistake? Why would it being a genuine mistake make STD town? He could have mistakenly hammered as scum.

Also, the "scum would want to be careful" argument is wrong, because if STD was the only scum on the coalition then he needed the coalition to get hammered before I could convince people to potentially change it. Which maybe overly centralizes myself in the narrative but etc.

Also, what does "the focus on Datisi" mean?

[implosion]

Oh the careful thing was Drew's argument. Well etc.

Drew's vote on me isn't scummy but is annoying.

[implosion]

I think at this moment in time if like, STD were limmed and flipped town and then I got limmed after (or well, tomorrow in a world where STD flips town), I would want Ari to die next. I think she probably hasn't

really

gone out of her scumrange in this game and the fact that her presence in this game is waning is not actively scummy but it does mean that there aren't the kinds of persistent tells that I think I need to cement a read on a player who has snowed me before. I think if Hero is scum then they've played a really good game and if Bella is scum then she's like, doing a lot of small posts here and there that are really hard to fake. Like her most recent post (599) being willing to just call Drew obvtown I think is a townish thing to do in this game state (I also don't think she'd do it if they're both scum). The saying she's worried about being snowed by Hero is something that tactically could make sense from scum but idk, the whole trajectory on hero feels genuine.

[implosion]

I don't think I'd want STD today.
His ISO doesn't feel agenda-y at all.

To this point, I think this is actually contextually a scumtell, maybe a strong one. Imagine replacing in to a slot that is already widely being put in coalitions as town, vs as scum. As town, you would absolutely have an agenda, as in stuff you need to be doing: you're in the coalition, you need to sort the other people that are currently widely townread and make sure you think the coalition is good or propose an alternate coalition. Like, I felt like I wanted to get the right coalition, because people were townreading me and the game is way easier if we just get it right the first time so I wanted to be careful. On the other hand, if you replace into a scum slot that's in people's coalitions, you don't need to have any agenda - so long as you remain in the coalition, you're good.

The reason that having an agenda would be scummy in the first place is that scum sometimes need to think in terms of eliminating specific people who they know are on to them or other scum, but that doesn't apply to a coalition phase.