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[TimmerRC]

Also, I got the sense that I just made a breakdown of thoughts on Gimli and the people who payed since the aren't bothering to respond to my thoughts on it, instead taking about how I've changed. So it felt a bit like I wasted my morning *shrug*

[Black]

I apologize, it is something that always has bothered me about mafia. Someone says they are either lost or overwhelmed and everyone says they should try more and they do and then everyone says wait, what's this?

I understand the emotion involved. I'm guilty of this too (on more occasions than I can count). And I apologize if my comment seemed snarky. I just have a hard time reading AtE and it seems like you're using it a lot in this game

A lot of people have said that they don't really want to fade you today so if you are town then I think you should probably just relax and keep doing your thing

So at this point, I am expecting people to start following up their scum reads with votes which is why I did that. If my vibe on that is off, please explain how as I don't want to misunderstand the style here. But waiting until day 9 or 9.5 as a policy doesn't seem very smart to me.

No your vibe is fine. Our goal here is to sort out the liars from the truth tellers. If I see something that could potentially be scum motivated then I'm going to point it out and engage with you about it to figure out if the read is correct. My advice would be to try not to take this as a personal attack or assume it's anything you're doing wrong

[Black]

Also, I got the sense that I just made a breakdown of thoughts on Gimli and the people who payed since the aren't bothering to respond to my thoughts on it, instead taking about how I've changed. So it felt a bit like I wasted my morning *shrug*

I liked your Gimli post and I would rather wait for Gimli to respond before I say anything about it

[Gimli]

I have nothing to respond to since I am indeed playing like ass

wrt black's scumread on me, I think it makes sense cause I'm not playing anywhere near her expectations. but its just rl taking over and I can't really focus or care enough about the game, but I can still play.

I still think black is likely town anyway

I think kittiesecret might be scum?

[TimmerRC]

Forgive my ignorance, what is AtE?

[usesPython]

Forgive my ignorance, what is AtE?

Appeal to Emotion

[fferyllt]

V1.9

Mohon

Originating in Columbian mythology, Mohon myths spread through several parts of South and Central America. Mohon is a forest and barren land spirit, and is associated with spirits of the dead and shamanism. In some legends Mohon is a satyr-like being who lives in a grotto in the bottom of great jungle rivers, where he keeps young women captive. In others Mohon is portrayed as an old man of great strength and stature, and a terrifying grin. He steals fishermen's' bait, nets, and catches. He is portrayed as an extremely hairy being with a very treacherous personality living in the backwaters and terrifying people who live beside rivers and streams they depend on for livelihood and sustenance.

Gimli (3):

Kittiesecret, usesPython, TimmerRC

TimmerRC (2):

Cometbright, DragonEater70

usesPython (2):

Gimli, Black

DragonEater70 (1):

Afrayed Knott

Afrayed Knott (1):

Aneninem

Not Voting (0):

no one

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate

Deadline: October 15, Midnight US Eastern Time. Please note this falls on a Saturday and plan accordingly.

countdown: (expired on 2023-10-14 23:00:00)

Mod Notes

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[TimmerRC]

I mean I like the posts it's just that it feels kinda coached when 507 exists. We don't actually feel strongly enough about it to go there today though and actually do wanna see you post more like this

-A

I'm trying to adapt, this might be the first time I've ever tried to truly find a scum in a day 1, lol.

But why would it require coaching? An iso is an iso, just because I am used to making them starting on a day 2 doesn't mean a day 1 attempt needs guidance.

[TimmerRC]

Forgive my ignorance, what is AtE?

Appeal to Emotion

Ahh... I will work to tone it down, but I AM an emotional guy and I get quite passionate about things once I invest in them. this will be a fluff thing to say, but a common tell years ago when I was bad was that I was unemotional because I struggled to fake it.

[Afrayed Knott]

UNVOTE:

I’m sorry, but does no one else see what I see. Black, Timmer and either VIP or Gimli?

That’s my scum, now.

VOTE: Timmer

[Aneninen]

Dear Mod,

but I'm not voting for TimmerRC! I'm voting for Afrayed Knott.

[Afrayed Knott]

Look at my earlier post about the possible relationship between Black and Timmer, then read the recent interaction between the two. It stinks of a pre planned effort to engage Tim and deflect attention, with some clever positioning by Black.

Thats what I’m seeing

[DragonEater70]

Oh, I am finally back in business

And I'm apparently being voted. How nice.

Give me some time to read, will you?

[TimmerRC]

UNVOTE:

I’m sorry, but does no one else see what I see. Black, Timmer and either VIP or Gimli?

That’s my scum, now.

VOTE: Timmer

So both Gimli and I are at 3 votes and you vote this bluntly without explanation and without mentioning it is e-1?

[DragonEater70]

Okay I'm apparently stupid since there was only one person voting me

I based everything on this post:

I feel like limming inside Gimli/Black/Comet/DE is significantly more likely to hit red than Knott/Kittie/Tim/VIP

-A

Yeah I agree with this

yeah but never comet

maybe DE?

which is like the only post I've read since the last time I posted.

[TimmerRC]

Look at my earlier post about the possible relationship between Black and Timmer, then read the recent interaction between the two. It stinks of a pre planned effort to engage Tim and deflect attention, with some clever positioning by Black.

Thats what I’m seeing

Do you mean the content from 22 posts ago of yours? You've had 22 posts since then where you talked about other things, but suddenly Gimli and I are each at 3 and you are back to that with a vengeance?

If Gimli flips scum, Afrayed is his teammate, this is sloppy

[Afrayed Knott]

Tim Tim Tim, you aren’t reading are you. Not once have you countered anything I have said about you. And, I’m not sat here all day looking at the thread. But I do sit on occasion and think through what I’m seeing and reading. And right now it’s the only thing I’m seeing.

[fferyllt]

Dear Mod,

but I'm not voting for TimmerRC! I'm voting for Afrayed Knott.

Fixed, thanks!

[Aneninen]

(I wanted to get back earlier, but there was some touching conversation between one of my daughters and me. Actually, they're step-dauthters, but I love them as if they were mine... no, you might not get it, and it's not relevant, but still true.)

The only lurker now is Gimli, there is nothing of substance from that slot.

And it's weird that he's lurking when he's one of the major wagons, isn't it?

or do Mods ensure a fair mix of experience in all teams?

Long ago, mods were obligated to randomize the roles. (Once I tried to mod a game, but I did a terrible job. Never again. My activity is way to erratic to mod.)

Lim on DE, Gimli or I. I know what I will flip and when you see that, if i am your choice, then Lim the other 2. Or is that just too much melodrama?

But it's only me, who's voting for you right now! (Yes, there was a mod error.) You're not a wagon at all.

IT's a fair bit of "i don't trust you" from you to them. What I found odd was the lack of a corresponding vote anywhere, but looking at my vote timeline chart thingy i made, you actually aren't very vote-y at all so it's not exactly a ping. I really just wanted to hear you elaborate on where you are at re: Gimli.

I've just checked. Black has never voted for Gimli.

The reaction to the fake hammer is interesting... I'm trying to think it through from their pov, and I'm struggling to find anything townie about it. It was clearly a gut reaction to thinking that the day had just spontaneously crashed to a close with an elim, but I feel like there is a stronger likelihood that such a move "I better pull out of that omg" would be made from a scum. Even if technically it makes no sense, a knee jerk reaction like that would be more likely from a baddie, I think as they are so acutely aware of how their votes can be evidence.

That may be something I wasn't able to put my finger on it. (I didn't really understand why some players thought Gimli's reaction on that meme-hammer had been town.)

But again, I'll just go back to shutting up, this site seems to not allow people to try to play after having a rough start.

You're wrong. Utterly, absolutely wrong. And this is not even a hostile game. (Or at least, 5 years ago there were games much more hostile than this.)


I don't know what's wrong with Black's 676. I only feel that it's deeply wrong.

I have nothing to respond to since I am indeed playing like ass
wrt black's scumread on me, I think it makes sense cause I'm not playing anywhere near her expectations. but its just rl taking over and I can't really focus or care enough about the game, but I can still play.
I still think black is likely town anyway
I think kittiesecret might be scum?

I so dislike this!
Especially since Black has never actually voted you!
Why does this feel like a scum going down?

[Aneninen]

I'm trying to adapt, this might be the first time I've ever tried to truly find a scum in a day 1, lol.

But why would it require coaching? An iso is an iso, just because I am used to making them starting on a day 2 doesn't mean a day 1 attempt needs guidance.

This so feels frustrated town.

Look at my earlier post about the possible relationship between Black and Timmer, then read the recent interaction between the two. It stinks of a pre planned effort to engage Tim and deflect attention, with some clever positioning by Black.

Thats what I’m seeing

How I hate to admit when my scumread points something out that can be true...!
But yes, that's very possible. However, there are two caveats. One is objective, one is subjective.
(1) Mafia has Daychat. They could be much more subtle in-game.
(2) I still don't think Timmer's scum...
(3) I can easily imagine a Black+Gimli team, see my post above.
(4) And I know Day1 team speculation is buttoned shirt.

Oh, that was four. I added the VAT then.

Oh, I am finally back in business
And I'm apparently being voted. How nice.
Give me some time to read, will you?

Sure. But we have 2 days 10 hours or so.
I know that I still haven't ISOed you yet, but that can wait, I guess. We need to start compromising on someone, because No-Elim is much worse than Mis-Elim on Day1. And I don't think there will be time for a Dragon wagon even if I find you scummy after the re-read.

So both Gimli and I are at 3 votes and you vote this bluntly without explanation and without mentioning it is e-1?

4 votes is E-1, not 3. And you're not even E-2. (Meanwhile, I can see that my vote has been fixed.)

If Gimli flips scum, Afrayed is his teammate, this is sloppy

Just why on God's Green Earth?

Dear Mod,

but I'm not voting for TimmerRC! I'm voting for Afrayed Knott.

Fixed, thanks!

Thank you, too.

[line][/line]

With all that said, we really need to start to consolidate.

(1) I think the Timmer wagon's bad. He's most likely a frustrated town, unless...
(2) he's scum with Black. But
(3) Black can be scum together with Gimli, too - yeah, team speculation on Day1 is buttoned shirt, I know, so,
(4) I guess my idea that Black's scum is based un team speculation and I don't think that wagon would ever reach a Lim Today, and
(5) Afrayd Knott is not happening, nor Dragon (whose alignment I'm totally idea-less now), which crystallizes in
(6) Only one possibility:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Gimli

Point it out if my logic's flawed.

[Aneninen]

Also, those Python votes are terrible as fork. Who are they? Oh wait... Black and Gimli.

[Afrayed Knott]

Lim on DE, Gimli or I. I know what I will flip and when you see that, if i am your choice, then Lim the other 2. Or is that just too much melodrama?

But it's only me, who's voting for you right now! (Yes, there was a mod error.) You're not a wagon at all.

You have misinterpreted what I was saying. At that time. As it’s a thought I had. I don’t care if there is a wagon on me or not, it’s not material to me. I’ve I get lim’d and it helps catch scum then go for it.

But what I will say is that after that post and reading g the passages of conversation between Black Tim, I’ve reverted back to my earlier feel.

[Aneninen]

This feeling?

UNVOTE:

I’m sorry, but does no one else see what I see. Black, Timmer and either VIP or Gimli?

That’s my scum, now.

VOTE: Timmer

So, you think it's either Black+Timmer or Black+Gimli or Timmer+Gimli?
If I don't leave out myself, it can be Black+Aneninen or Timmer+Aneninen?

Is that what your're saying?

If you were talking about something else, go on.

[Afrayed Knott]

I feel Black and Timmer for definite. And then one of you or Gimli

[Black]

Afrayed is probably town for thinking there's 3 scum