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[imaginality]

@Imaginality

Can you please confirm to us from where you started to read the game this last time you posted? Or do you've any excuses for both not noticing Ydrasse's long post commenting on T3 and Camel, along with giving an opinion on most slots that posted in the few pages but not on one that has the highest amount of posts from spamming a few pages before?

I'd read every post to that point, though 'browsed through' is perhaps a better turn of phrase. Didn't skip any pages

[imaginality]

If it helps my main thoughts I recall having about your posts have been "does this to and fro discussion between Shriou and Prism help me sort either of them? Hmm nope it feels like they could be partnered or non aligned and have this conversation either way" and "how do I feel about Shirou pushing std? Hmm well std hasn't done much yet so seems like someone Shirou could choose to push regardless of alignment"

[camelCasedSnivy]

Camel early on I felt like your indecision kinda felt like town-posting, but now it's to a point that I feel it's scum-posting.

You say "Patchwork is probably right", but *why*? Patchwork said it was "100% a gutread". This just feels like mindless sheeping, specifically the scummy kind.

well i mean ur posting style is lowkey annoying to me too so i see where they are coming from but also (from what ive seen) i think the big words are cool and

actually it's literally 100% a gutread sorry

throw hands if u want, i haven't read anything beyond like three posts of theirs

i was talking about the fact that they "just got here"

[T3]

i barely bother reading to begin with.
i think im going to be tuning out prism posts soon.

brain not big enough for all the words prism puts in posts.

out of all the users i've seen thus far while checking thread i think i've seen prism the most and i think they're the one who i have the most distinct town vibe on

I would be very very wary of townreading Prism for vibes.

camel’s response to patchwork’s early posts is bad VOTE: camel

is it cuz I'm opportunistic or something lol

A little. The tone just seems bad though

[T3]

I don’t like Shirou’s interactions with imaginality

[Prism]

I am sad only Firebringer enjoyed my recorded reading of The Very Hungry Caterpillar. Since he was the most important person in the audience, though, perhaps that makes it all the more special.

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I was skeptical of patchwork's posts last night. The read on me was not impressive, and I considered voting them. I skimmed a small sample of their games. I decided to hold off because I think their alignment is very distinguishable. One of the games I opened it thinking it to be a scum one, and was surprised because they were reading like the town meta. It was in fact another town game. This made me feel better. I will revisit this later when I have a better test set.

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T3's posting has gotten better, and wasn't awful to start. Most of his posts are above average. I really liked 354 because I felt the same way on first pass.

I didn't dislike it after thought. I just haven't felt moved by Shirou at any point, even when he preempted my question to T3. I really didn't find imaginality's lack of commentary surprising. This is my first time commenting on how I feel about Shirou, despite spending a lot of time answering his questions.

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For Ydrasse, this post struck me as curious at the time. You say that you don't agree with Shirou's read on Dragons and can easily put yourself into his shoes emotionally, but vote him anyway. I know these are not exclusive, it just surprised me to see you vote him despite the empathy. However, it looks like you actively had a townread on Dragons earlier, presumably off of vibes.

Did you vote Dragons while townreading him and feeling empathetic to him?

[gob]

VOTE: T3

sup people, also down to vote

[gob]

Prism for their grand opening play.

[T3]

I didn't dislike it after thought. I just haven't felt moved by Shirou at any point, even when he preempted my question to T3

Why did you dislike it at first and then stopped disliking it?

[T3]

To me it seemed like pointless questioning that was not actually intended to gauge a read on imaginality

[gob]

We’re 100% never fading STD today.

camelCasedSnivy, Shirou, Ydrasse, Alisae, Prism

this probably has scum on back end (alisae, prism)

[Ydrasse]

yep i did
my read wasn’t so strong that i felt i couldn’t collaboratively vote on the wagon when asked and the posts came after didn’t persuade me to unvote
it also felt interesting to see if shirou would make comment or engage with me on me voting a townread when asked but nothing came of it but i didn’t really get a conclusion from that either

[gob]

VOTE: Alisae

[Ydrasse]

@Shirou my approach at the moment has been to skim and see what pings me one way or the other. Happy to let people float around null rather than efforting too hard with overanalysing stuff. So yeah I'm not trying to give a comprehensive readslist yet.

@Ydrasse part of the reason for me asking is in your earlier read was you weren't sure about whether the town vibes camel was giving you are genuine, and camel's made a bunch of posts since then so I wondered if that's helped you lean more one way or the other.

it’s harder to believe this because it’s coming after the fact honestly but i guess this is reasonably possible from town you
i’m undecided and would probably vote there without much hand wringing

[Prism]

Why did you dislike it at first and then stopped disliking it?

I am also often self-absorbed and think that other players should have more interest in and reaction to the things that I say.

We’re 100% never fading STD today.

camelCasedSnivy, Shirou, Ydrasse, Alisae, Prism

this probably has scum on back end (alisae, prism)

What a horrible entry post. I don't think me at the bottom is a big deal. Whiteknighting Dragons [for what I assume] because his posting is very town is absolutely wild and an impossible conclusion to reach. Alisae at the bottom is also interesting and probably begs elaboration.

VOTE: gob

[T3]

Why did you dislike it at first and then stopped disliking it?

I am also often self-absorbed and think that other players should have more interest in and reaction to the things that I say.

What do you mean?

What a horrible entry post. I don't think me at the bottom is a big deal. Whiteknighting Dragons [for what I assume] because his posting is very town is absolutely wild and an impossible conclusion to reach. Alisae at the bottom is also interesting and probably begs elaboration.

VOTE: gob

VOTE: gob

[Prism]

Prism [is a good vote for] for their grand opening play.

Let's review the play together. I am VERY interested.

I expected the reaction to my post to be overwhelmingly negative, because I knew that the entire wagon would vehemently disagree with my perspective and be horrified if scum blitzed a town Dragons. It was definitely not what any of the wagon voters wanted, and I was trying to strongarm a result. It was not surprising when jjh disagreed and unvoted. Had things worked out the way I intended, I expected a high chance I would have hell to pay on Day 2. I expected some hell to pay even if it didn't.

All of this was predicated on a wrong mechanical understanding: There was a Night 1 escape mechanic and scum could safely blitz. How silly of me, everyone get a load of this idiot. Do I make the erroneous assumption as scum? Am I not just a town bonehead, but scum playing the part?

Most players have abstained on this question, presumably for WIFOM reasons. I understand them.

Now to you. You are different. What made that specific play scummy to you? Please walk me through it so I can understand your perspective.

Spoiler: Optional concrete questions to assist your evaluation

Do you think that I faked forgetting there were only 3 scum, and that scum did not have a Night 1 escape mechanic? Was that in fact the entire point of the play, not my claims that I wanted to have him either blitzed or confirmed? Do you believe something much more roundabout and anomalous, like "Prism legitimately forgot the setup as scum and wanted a partner to blitz", or "Prism expected to get townread for the actual post content"?

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I am also often self-absorbed and think that other players should have more interest in and reaction to the things that I say.

What do you mean?

I am referring to why I didn't dislike Shirou's question of imaginality on second thought. Comparing my 364 to 336 should more squarely put the posts in dialogue and show why I moved the interaction back to null.

[Shirou]

We’re 100% never fading STD today.

Lurking and then finally scumposting. Welcome to the limpool.

[Shirou]

I think if gob is scum StD is probably town

VOTE: gob

It makes sense to say "StD hasn't done enough yet for us to suspect him", you can argue that I don't have good reasons to suspect him but saying you're this confident that StD is town with his sparse ISO just reeks of TMI whiteknighting.

[Shirou]

camelCasedSnivy, Shirou, Ydrasse, Alisae, Prism

If gob is scum I also guarantee that there's one scum in the above

[Shirou]

VOTE: Alisae

were you caught up with the game when you made this post?

[Shirou]

[] - town read
[T3] - leaning town
[Firebringer] - nulltown
[Prism, Ydrasse, jjh927, Alisae, patchwork, Andresvmb] - true null
[Save The Dragons, imaginality, Snivy] - nullscum
[gob] - leaning scum
[] - scum read

[Shirou]

Actually I should color it...

[] - town read
[

T3

] - leaning town
[

Firebringer

] - nulltown
[

Prism, Ydrasse, jjh927, Alisae, patchwork, Andresvmb

] - true null
[

Save The Dragons, imaginality, Snivy

] - nullscum
[

gob

] - leaning scum
[] - scum read

[Ydrasse]

Put me in green

[Dannflor]

uWu what's this