Open 887: Coalition of Frogs (Game Over)

[Hero at Heart]

like i feel datisi's play this game was designed to pocket me and my extreme townread of him is a result of this pocket (as well as my own towntunneling)

while with you, implo and bella i feel like the townread came from a more organic place of you just genuinely sounded like you are town (but not in the fake way that datisi did)

so when the coalition failed i realized there must've been a fake town and the read on datisi is the one that made the most sense to come from a pocket / towntunnel and not from the person actually being town. like i *wanted* datisi to be town, while with the others i just saw them being townie. and the reason i'm slightly suspecting you while not suspecting bella and implo is because i know that i still *want* you to be town, rather than you just sounding town

fully

.

idk if this makes sense to you, but it's just how it works.

[Hero at Heart]

and i was suspecting you day 1 (after coalition fail) for the same reason

[Bellaphant]

Apologies if it's been discussed, but how likely is it that the coalition was pure, aside from datisi?

I feel like rh9 just isn't usually this limbaity?

[Hero at Heart]

well, rh9/ari are pushing you/me, respectively. merlyn wants me/ari/rh9. i think most of everyone else prefers a lim outside the coalition (specifically rh9)

[Merlyn]

I don't think it's Hero. All of this stuff, including yesterdays vote waffling, would have to be a performance. If I'm throwing away the game here I'll congratulate him at the end and also be slightly scared of him.

[Ausuka]

Votecount 2.1

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to eliminate. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-10-19 20:17:13).

Elimination Votes

Bellaphant (1)

- RH9

RH9 (1)

- Hero at Heart

Not Voting (5)

- Aristeia, Bellaphant, Doctor Drew, implosion, Merlyn

Flavour

[Merlyn]

i think at this moment in time (like page 14) my ideal coalition would probably be dats/hero/implo/bella/ari but i am like. doubtful that's ever going to get voted in. and in the event it fails, it feels like it would be an utter shitshow.

for those who've played with scum!Datisi before- would he put his partner in here?

[Merlyn]

So went over the whole end of coaltion day again. Here's my thought process:

so just for emphasis
HEAL: ari/bella/dragons/hero/implo
pls sheep me so we can get somewhere before deadline.

This was the coalition. Three votes on it, Hero, Ari, THS.

Hero, how would you feel about replacing std or maybe bella with THS? I feel like the logic you gave is indicative of THS is town but is (as i'd said previously) strongly indicative that THS should be in the coalition because if it's already succeeding then adding him almost never hurts it

Then, implo suggests getting rid of someone we now know was scum, and subbing in someone we now know was town. Hero doesn't immeadiately strike it down:

i can probbably iso THS in a bit and maybe it's a good idea.

could you tell me in concrete terms how much better would you prefer THS over std/bella, which one of them, and why?

The next thing that happens is mala comes in and votes the coaltion

uck it

HEAL: ari/bella/dragons/hero/implo

and std rushes in to hammer.

My take is that mala is scum, and she and std had to rush to get in there bc there was only one scum on the coaltion (std) and if they had been replaced it would be game over for them. VOTE: rh9[/rh9].

[Hero at Heart]

brilliant solve, merlyn.

[Aristeia]

brilliant solve, merlyn.

why is RH9 mafia

[Aristeia]

like i feel datisi's play this game was designed to pocket me and my extreme townread of him is a result of this pocket (as well as my own towntunneling)

do you have examples of his play being designed to pocket you

[Aristeia]

I don't think it's Hero. All of this stuff, including yesterdays vote waffling, would have to be a performance. If I'm throwing away the game here I'll congratulate him at the end and also be slightly scared of him.

I am unwilling to lose to hero!mafia but if everyone else wants to I won't care

[RH9]

If you really want Hero today, we can do him.
Though, I agree with Merlyn that his EoD would've been performative as scum.

[Merlyn]

I don't think it's Hero. All of this stuff, including yesterdays vote waffling, would have to be a performance. If I'm throwing away the game here I'll congratulate him at the end and also be slightly scared of him.

I am unwilling to lose to hero!mafia but if everyone else wants to I won't care

What do you think of my case on Rh9

[Hero at Heart]

I am unwilling to lose to hero!mafia but if everyone else wants to I won't care

well you won't lose to hero!mafia because i'm not mafia.

you can instead either win, if town, lose to hero, implo and bella, if scum, or lose to implo!mafia, if we're in crazy opposite of logic world.

[Hero at Heart]

What do you think of my case on Rh9

i don't think she likes it:

why is RH9 mafia

associatives with std,
lurking all day 1,
poe where the only other suspect is you and i'm doing my best not to vote you.

[Hero at Heart]

on top of nonsensical pushes on implo and now another nonsensical push on bella

[Hero at Heart]

do you have examples of his play being designed to pocket you

yes:

HEAL: hero at heart
HEAL: merlyn
VOTE: theholdsteady

cool lol

i might as well:

HEAL: Datisi, Hero, Bella, Merlyn

Drew do you want in?

How opportunistic can you be. you basically agree with my two (three? I'm not sure if you're saying you townread Drew here) townreads here while ALSO putting yourself in the coalition, while at the same time saying "idk, THS seems like scum for the bella read and putting himself in the coalition". you're just parroting the wrong read already espoused by datisi hoping no one will notice.

VOTE: Hero at Heart

oh this is a very bad post

THS is accusing hero of being scum for scumreading him while having the "same" views as him, but completely ignoring the fact on how those views came to be, when something like that is very relevant, is uh, a choice

THS, are you an alt? do you have mafia experience elsewhere?

ngl i think hero might be like, my strongest townread currently

my only ??? about their slot was them saying they townread me on meta when i had made ~2 nonsense posts, but like uhh i don't like pressing on that if that reveals alt-related info

and the rest of their posting is :goodposting: so here we are

HEAL: bella i guess?

HEAL: Datisi, Hero, Merlyn, Bella, Implosion

i don't think scum-ari would put an all-town coalition forward

positioning to push me and hero upon this coalition failure would surely be... a choice. maybe not that impossible to push me i guess but it's still p bizarre

[Hero at Heart]

all of these are pretty subtle pockets, but are pockets nonetheless.

[Hero at Heart]

254 is especially sinister because it makes the assumption that we're aligned/allied and that a push on one is a push on the other.

[Hero at Heart]

If you really want Hero today, we can do him.
Though, I agree with Merlyn that his EoD would've been performative as scum.

honestly this sounds to me like scum trying to avoid being the lim today.

[Doctor Drew]

I still would be shocked if it is anyone but RH.

And Ari, if we just go RH-Bella-Hero, then in a world where Hero is scum, they can't win.

[Ausuka]

Replacing RH9.

[Hero at Heart]

you forget the world where ari is scum and therefore i won't let bella be limmed for no reason.

we can do RH-ari-hero, that's fine.

[Doctor Drew]

you forget the world where ari is scum and therefore i won't let bella be limmed for no reason.

we can do RH-ari-hero, that's fine.

Fair enough, but why is Bella limmed for no reason?