Micro 1082 - I’m the Real Tracker (Day 4)

[Donempire]

Well, that's that. This game was definitely an experience. Some closing thoughts then:

I thought the game got pretty stale after we elimmed pc, scum kills d1 already have a tendency to snowball in town's favor but especially in this setup the game is too easy to autowin, and i believe even if we had mislimmed it would be possible to win through mech alone. There are way too many investigative roles and other powerroles like roleblocker to make scumhunting have any real point, in my opinion. Once you get through the first day, analyze the first wagon, the game turns into a sort of a puzzle where you just fit the pieces together instead of a social deduction game. Maybe this is more fun for some like jingle, but i think it detracts a lot from the enjoyment of the game. If this game were a semi-open or an open, it would give scum more wiggle room to influence the game and make it less stale. In this game, black had no room to claim anything but roleblocker, and that locked her into slowly clearing everyone else. I believe had the game been an open with the same roles, she could have just claimed something else and been much more succesfull.

These are my thoughts on the game setup, for what it's worth i appreciate the modding by GIF, i just think this setup was not well thought out. Apologies bingle.

As for the individual performances, i think there's an obvious winner of the game. I think most of us didn't get a chance to really try this game for obvious reasons, but even with that in mind i believe scum would have won had this not been such a mech focused game. Black's bus was very well crafted, and for me after d2 she had been essentially confirmed, so barring some heavy slips i wouldn't have suspected her slot twice. Like i said i would have just conceded d2 because the game was unwinnable even with perfect play, but black deciding to bet on us not playing perfectly paid off, and that has to be appreciated at a base level. And the last day where she convinced kowah to not be able to register a result was the one part after d1 that the game had any semblance of seeming like an actual social deduction game. I think a win was deserved even with a mod error.

I told bingle in our PT that this kind of scenario was possible even with how loyal checkers worked, that this could have been a different iteration. Truthfully the game was winnable without resorting to asking the mod, because with a kill going throigh it came down to who you wanted to believe. We both had reasons to be suspected with neither of us clearly being scum, had there been no kills then that would confirm me but with a kill you had to be convinced of blacks innocence. Taking her claim at face value goes contrary to what mafia stands for, at least for me. I played with bingle before, and i know he's a great player, but he was too focused on mech play to play mafia this game.
Now it's fair to say that i was wrong, this iteration was the same, there just had been a mod error, and i get that. What i'm saying is that the game should have been played without asking the mod at all. That is why i understand kowah's reasoning more than bingle, as he was convinced by black's outage claim, and at it's core mafia is about convincing people, so his vote on me is much more justifiable than bingle's, who didn't bother reading our arguments.

Of course part of the blame is on me. It's true i wanted scum to have a sparring chance, but it doesn't change the fact i played suboptimally when i knew the best way to go forward, which was to direct the doc on appearence d2 and no lim d3. I'm not mad about how the game ended, i think it was more fun than if we just followed the plan and stayed afk for a few days, but if someone blamed me for losing the game then i could understand that.

That's about it. Well played to everyone! Hope we can play in another game that is more open to scumhunting.

[Bingle]

I mean, it is very fair to say that I stopped playing mafia when I realized that the game was broken, and I take at least as much blame there as GIF given that it was my advice that swung this into the townsided roll we got. This was the second worst rand for scum and the worst possible D1, but I fully agree that the setup as a whole would be improved by adding in uncertainty.

WRT your neighborhood case, it was flawed in that any deviation from normal operations of a role in an open absolutely has to be made public. Your argument would have made absolute sense in the theme queue, but here it was just not a thing. I respected the effort and the attempt, and honestly if you were scum it would’ve made it even worse that you were losing to a mistake that I see as my own. But in all honesty, I began counting this game as a los in the only metric I care about on D2 (quality of my contribution to the game). In hindsight, I kind of wish we’d gentleman’s agreement’d to not act after D2 to rebalance the scales, because I do think the game had a lot of potential to be a good game of actual mafia.

[Black]

I appreciate the kind words Don, but I really can't accept the victory here. I do feel really good about myself for being able to pull out the "fake win" here, but without the mod error I was toast. Town deserves the win here IMO. I just capitalized on a mod error that never should have happened

I'll leave the mech arguments to you guys haha but I just wanna say I enjoyed playing with y'all and hopefully we can play again soon Don

[Abnegation]

gg and thanks for modding gif! i know things didn't exactly go as they were supposed to, but it was fun for the two irl days i was alive.
speaking of that, how dare you kill me n1 again!

[Black]

Stop knowing when I'm scum and maybe you'll live next time!

[Abnegation]

stop rolling scum so much and i won't know you're scum next time!

[Black]

XD

Fun fact this is the first time I've been scum since my first 3 newbie games on the site. I almost forgot what it felt like...

[Invisibility]

gg everyones

[Invisibility]

I was very happy to discover that I was the real tracker in the first game of I'm the real tracker

[Bingle]

Maybe the real Invisibility was the friends we made along the way.

[Doctor Drew]

I am just glad I proved that Jason wouldn't rep out as scum lol.

Also Black is a policy lim going forward.

[Invisibility]

for some reason I just subconsciously always want to sheep Black in every game I play with her

[Invisibility]

here is my thread o' thoughts if anyone was interested lol

[Appearance]

gg.
@gif u can release my notes

[Appearance]

lol tho that i had considered targeting black but decided to go for invis due to crumb

[Appearance]

tho i don't think i ever would've expected black to be scum as they were my one of my top trs.

[Political Clout]

gg ty for carry black

[Abnegation]

i wonder if we're ever getting the pts.
i asked, like, 3 days ago but no response.
i want to read the scum's murderous plots.

[Black]

GiF seems to think about this site once a week

[Black]

i want to read the scum's murderous plots.

It was mostly me planning the bus and then talking to myself lol

[SirCakez]