Open 889 | Secrets of the Anuket Topaz | fin.

[jjh927]

He went around wagon hopping then chose the Alisae wagon and created the gamestate we're in now

[Titus]

I saw the same thing when I looked at that. I largely dismissed the first few as RVS pointless wagons (three or less early).

StD is locktown in my book.

If Shiro flips scum, are you willing to reconsider imaginality and Ydrasse if I reconsider Camel?

[jjh927]

Imaginality scum becomes a lot more likely if you're town

I don't think my read is very likely to change on Ydrasse at all though

[Titus]

Alright. Let's see what shakes with Shirou.

VOTE: Shirou

[jjh927]

VOTE: Shirou

[Save The Dragons]

also where is andres

Out for some cigs and milk

just like dad

[Save The Dragons]

@T3
@jjh927
@Save The Dragons
@imaginality
@Andresvmb

It's time. Reads list or you DIE!!!!!!

lots of posts in 24 hours

i have more time to be present today

anyway at this point, changing my readslist style because people can't handle the other way

WOULD LIM
Camel
T3
JJH
Imaginality
Andres

WOULD NOT LIM
Prism
YAdrasse
Titus
gob
shirou
firebringer

WOULD BANG
Save the dragons

[Shirou]

I don't know why but after this most recent convo I can't stop picturing Titus and JJH as Team Rocket.

Prism can be Meowth but I don't think he's evil at all.

Titus, it seems you've made a hobby out of voting people you supposedly town read when they turn into a viable wagon. Particularly interesting that it happens when you're one of the alternatives.

[Save The Dragons]

@T3
@jjh927
@Save The Dragons
@imaginality
@Andresvmb

It's time. Reads list or you DIE!!!!!!

I did a readlist before the flip and very little has changed other than seeing Camel and Shirou react to eod. I guess I have 4 scumreads now though

Town
Prism
Ydrasse
gob
Firebringer
Andresvmb
T3

Town?
imaginality

Scum?
Save The Dragons
camelCasedSnivy
Shirou
Titus

That can't be right, 4 > 3

I recommend taking a look through your reasoning and try to come to conclusions about where you are wrong

I want you to hunt for reasons that your scumreads could actually be town

Narrow the pool. Doubt yourself and try to make your reads more accurate

You have a lot of scumreads. You know you must be wrong with some of them.

Do you
A. Do nothing
B. Try to narrow it down and figure out where you are wrong?

Okay, if you're going to narrow it down, here's a choice for you

A. Do nothing
B. Compare the reasons why you scumread people and determine which are stronger and which are weaker
C. Wait until people make more posts and see if you change your mind
D. Actively engage with players you scumread to try and place them more accurately

[Shirou]

You've just voted three different people in 24 hours of the first day and you ACCUSE ME of wagon hopping?

That "VCA analysis" is context-less as fuck. StD and Gob wagons were the first wagons to emerge after we were almost 10 pages in and the game still didn't feel like it had started because we kept joking around. I voted and pushed them partially to progress the game, it was through those early wagons that we got past the shitposting stage of the game where nothing was taken serious.

The REAL wagons I took part in D1 was ALISAE, and Imaginality when people were telling me to stop tunneling Alisae. I mostly wanted to see where a Imaginality wagon could go and got back to Ali wagon in around 24 hours even when it was dismantled.

Now you've seriously voted Alisae, Imaginality, Ydrasse, JJH and now is flipping on me, and I'M THE WAGON HOPPER?

This is a really ridiculous argument to anyone that actually has read the game. For most of D1 I was simply consistently voting Alisae.

[Save The Dragons]

camel, t3, and andres have just been such non presences that i can't really town read them. it's definitely possible i'm tr scum and i need to reconsider, but im starting to tr all the players in my "would not lim" category.

jjh maybe would be do not lim if i took emotion out of it. not sure.

every post by imaginality makes my skin crawl.

i'm not sure where i stand in lieu of an alisae town flip. i'm kind of bummed i was wrong. need to think a little before i vote.

[Shirou]

If JJH is town, your posts are primed to eliminate him without any blood on your hands.

Do you think I care about blood on my hands if I'm scum...?

And how much blood exactly would I have by simply sheeping you/camel/Prism at day start when you wanted to all vote JJH?

I literally refused to make an easy vote on JJH and now you're trying to twist it as if I'm "priming to eliminate him".

All I had to do to have good odds of eliminating JJH was to lay down the easy vote/wagon you were offering me at day start. I refused.

Now I tell you and JJH, that have been COMPLAINING SINCE DAY 1 that no one wanted you guys choice of wagon, to 1v1 and sort it out/lead us somewhere, and what is your reaction?

It's to flip on me together with someone you were confident was scum a few hours ago.

[Ydrasse]

this game has felt polarized when it comes to what reads people have so i would be a little surprised if it was a wolf team mostly of inactive people. i don’t know if this atmosphere can pop up from just town squabbling with mild intervention.

[Shirou]

All it took for you to flip your read on me Titus, is for there to be some support for a Shirou wagon and for me to refuse to go along with you today.

I wrote that post about you guys 1v1 knowing I may get some flake by being too straightforward, but I'm intensely amused that you decided instead to shake hands and try to create a wagon on me instead when there was starting to be little other alternatives to you two.

[Ydrasse]

also yeah i feel like titus is just trying to get an elim and jump ship tonight shrug

[Shirou]

You can say whatever bullshit you want about me "wagon hopping", "being insincere" or whatever, but tell me Titus:

If you're town, and JJH is town, and I'm scum.

WHY do I make a whole drama out of not wanting to vote JJH at day start when multiple people wanted?

To "avoid blood on my hands"? Oh please, that's not my scum playstyle and anyone that has seen scum!me knows it. My scum style is busing some of my partners to gather town credit and then use that town credit to tunnel and miseliminate other townies.

I drive the miseliminations on townies as scum when I'm not busing a partner. I don't "let town eat itself" or some bullshit.

[Save The Dragons]

this game has felt polarized when it comes to what reads people have so i would be a little surprised if it was a wolf team mostly of inactive people. i don’t know if this atmosphere can pop up from just town squabbling with mild intervention.

my favorite thing to do as scum is to sit back and let town be wrong about each other

but yeah this is a fair point

i wouldn't be surprised if some of my trs were actually scum which is why i want to think a bit before i vote

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Shirou

Shirou is town

[Titus]

I don't know why but after this most recent convo I can't stop picturing Titus and JJH as Team Rocket.

Prism can be Meowth but I don't think he's evil at all.

Titus, it seems you've made a hobby out of voting people you supposedly town read when they turn into a viable wagon. Particularly interesting that it happens when you're one of the alternatives.

Now here comes the shade. I don't like having promises broken. You flat out broke your promise to me to try and create a one v one. That's something worth sorting. I hate being lied to in order to get what you want.

[Ydrasse]

this game has felt polarized when it comes to what reads people have so i would be a little surprised if it was a wolf team mostly of inactive people. i don’t know if this atmosphere can pop up from just town squabbling with mild intervention.

my favorite thing to do as scum is to sit back and let town be wrong about each other

but yeah this is a fair point

i wouldn't be surprised if some of my trs were actually scum which is why i want to think a bit before i vote

yeah, i think it is a possibility but this just doesn’t feel like one of those games hashtag vibes

i think titus is a good vote if people wanted to vote her but i don’t think that happens so i’m on imaginality

[camelCasedSnivy]

camel, t3, and andres have just been such non presences that i can't really town read them.

am i supposed to take this seriously

[Titus]

All it took for you to flip your read on me Titus, is for there to be some support for a Shirou wagon and for me to refuse to go along with you today.

I wrote that post about you guys 1v1 knowing I may get some flake by being too straightforward, but I'm intensely amused that you decided instead to shake hands and try to create a wagon on me instead when there was starting to be little other alternatives to you two.

I know when I'm being set up to tunnel. Jjh might be scum but working with me is NOT dictating where I vote or push. Fuck that.

[Prism]

At literally no point in this game have I wanted to vote jjh, not even close.

UNVOTE:

To be candid I did not really scumread Shirou. I mostly wanted the spree of self-absorbed posts to stop, and I wanted to see if I could read into a reaction. I accomplished neither of those goals.

[Shirou]

The reason I made the whole drama about JJH is simple:

That post Firebringer did already annoyed me and I love him to bits, imagine if I potentially miseliminated twice in a row again and there was even more blame in my shoulders for the direction of the game? I'm egoistical and I'm very aware of it. I don't want to risk having my ego hurt too hard because then I become toxic, and I don't wanna be toxic and said in the sign ups of this game that I was going to change at least that.

Therefore, given I was wrong yesterday, I wanted to pass the "opportunity" to be right or wrong to someone else and not shoulder alone responsibility for the outcome.

There's NO SCUM GAME of mine where I did a similar "I'm too scared to take reponsibility guyz" theatrics because it gives me GLORY AND AMUSEMENT to miseliminate townies in a tunnel as wolf. In my very last scum game with town!Firebringer and town!StD I just asked for "everyone trust me, I'll shoulder the blame of the outcome" when everyone was unsure of voting Psyche or not.

[Prism]

This game is a mess. I can't try and clean it up this weekend, not that I could if I tried.