Open 889 | Secrets of the Anuket Topaz | fin.

[Dannflor]

VC 2.4

Beyond the Sea

imaginality [4]:

camelCasedSnivy, Titus, Save The Dragons, T3

camelCasedSnivy [2]:

jjh927, Firebringer

Titus [1]:

imaginality

Shirou [1]:

Andresvmb

jjh927 [1]:

gob

Not Voting [3]:

Prism, Shirou, Ydrasse

With 12 on-board, it takes 7 to force someone to walk the plank. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-10-31 15:44:27).

Mod Notes:

[imaginality]

I'm around for a bit right now if you feel like a conversation will help you sort me either way.

Talk in detail about Gob

I still stand by my view that 947 could be a slip (TMI knowing Alisae is town). And Gob spent a fair amount of time focusing on Alisae D1 only to somehow not end up on er wagon keeping his hands clean cos he sees there's enough impetus for it to go through without him.

The "Alisae is fine let's look elsewhere" in 891 and "everyone unvote alisae" later feel a bit weak, like I think town townreading Alisae might try harder to stop er being limmed?

There were a couple of other things that niggled me a bit like the incorrect statement in 536 followed by the more placatory 537, and how 1863 feels performative.

In terms of Gob interactions with my other scumreads today, Gob flipped from voting Titus in 1735 to townreading her in 1856 plus made a case on Ydrasse in 1840 that quickly reversed itself by 1850 after Ydrasse replied. I could see either of those as distancing.

Though I am probably wrong overall on at least one of the three of them, but (obviously) if I am I don't see which.

[jjh927]

How does 947 make sense as a slip

[jjh927]

Like actually, work it through

Alisae did not slip up there under pressure

[imaginality]

It's not about Alisae. It's about Gob saying Alisae's logic makes sense and that "town would have slipped up there under pressure" when he must have meant "scum would have slipped up there under pressure". Could be a typo, could be a sign of hidden knowledge of Alisae's alignment.

[Prism]

To clarify I meant on D1 when it became clear Shirou was happy to not go after you D1

as

the D1 lim.

Thank you. I thought maybe you had mixed up myself and Shirou's roles.

Unfortunately this angle is more confusing. An error would have made sense, this is just ???.

There was exactly one point where Shirou suspected me, and it was extremely early and subsided quickly. Perhaps you can link my hammerplay on Dragons as a reaction to that prior event, but my aggression and activity ramped up as the week went on with my pushes on gob and camel.

The idea that those had anything at all to do with Shirou is a headscratcher. I don't really see why I'd fear a quick early day post for over a week, let alone suddenly drop said fear if I did have it. That initial post was never relevant past the page or two it was posted.

[imaginality]

It's less about when Shirou was suspecting you specifically more about when he started tunnelling so that you knew he wouldn't be likely to target you. As in I think if you're scum and Shirou is town he would be someone you'd be more concerned about as an opponent if he targets you whereas I feel like you'd have confidence in your ability to take on other people in this playlist if they suspect you.

Maybe I'm off on the timing of things though. I will go look at you+Shirou iso.

[Prism]

As I think about it, I don't really understand your perspective on my play at any level. It seems like your timeline and understanding of Day 1 is wildly off-base, perhaps because of the length, but it makes it very difficult to tell how sincere this speculation is.

Your timeline is just off by a mile. My aggression/activity picked up when I grew suspicious of gob, well removed from Shirou, and it all survived well after the Alisae tunnel development.

This was typed before your last post but I think it reinforces the point.

[jjh927]

It's not about Alisae. It's about Gob saying Alisae's logic makes sense and that "town would have slipped up there under pressure" when he must have meant "scum would have slipped up there under pressure". Could be a typo, could be a sign of hidden knowledge of Alisae's alignment.

That's what I mean- it's definitely clear what he meant. He was already saying he thought Alisae was town. If you're going down the freudian slip interpretation then it tells us Gob was thinking about Alisae being town. That's literally nothing.

[imaginality]

I'm happy to agree to disagree on it. It's not like I think it by itself is enough to lim (or even vote) Gob but I don't think it's "literally nothing". What did you think of my other comments about Gob?

[jjh927]

I think Gob just looks like town that doesn't really know what he's doing

[jjh927]

He's inconsistent and all over the place depending on who he's talking to and that's not how scumplay works

[Prism]

I think Gob just looks like town that doesn't really know what he's doing

Basically my impression: I think the fact he was obstructing essentially every Day 1 wagon and scared to vote was more indicative of legitimate indecision and anxiety than trying to whiteknight town.

[camelCasedSnivy]

I think Gob just looks like town that doesn't really know what he's doing

what is the distinction between "town that doesn't really know what they're doing" and "pretending to be clueless scum"

i agree with you that gob is town though but not with you

[camelCasedSnivy]

actually

forget what i said. jjh + gob scumteam?

[Prism]

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

I thought his posting slightly improved at the start of Day 2 (more fleshed out/complex reasoning) but it's not really enough to move the needle. I still hated his posts Day 1 on review.

My #1 vote choice right now is actually Firebringer. I think he's playing exceptionally well and reasonably. I just think his confidence in his reads and reactions come from him being informed. I thought about whether it was a good idea to join him on Snivy. For now, I'm comfortable calling a distance bluff.

I think jjh has continually trended upwards with his recent play. At some point while skimming over the weekend I became more uncomfortable with a Titus vote even as I failed to townread her.

My reads look something like:

Town
======
jjh
gob
T3
Shirou

Null
======
Save the Dragons
imaginality
Ydrasse
Andresvmb
Titus

Scumlean
======
camelCasedSnivy
Firebringer

[Prism]

I think Gob just looks like town that doesn't really know what he's doing

what is the distinction between "town that doesn't really know what they're doing" and "pretending to be clueless scum"

i agree with you that gob is town though but not with you

actually

forget what i said. jjh + gob scumteam?

This was less than a minute. Why did you think gob was town? What changed?

[camelCasedSnivy]

wow what a shocker

[camelCasedSnivy]

This was less than a minute. Why did you think gob was town? What changed?

my reasoning for townreading gob was pretty bad, it was just the inactivity + his progression on me that townread him. i think, aside from my prior jjh scumread that gob could be a partner. otherwise gob is kinda in my "willing to lim but not really" with andres

[Prism]

I think gob pretending to be clueless scum is a bit of a stretch. He started out quite strong, then realized very quickly he way out of pocket and out of depth. His comments on his own mental health make it clear that this isn't really the most stable and most confident ego.

On Day 1 he went from hard whiteknighting Dragons to blockading Alisae. At some point you have to stop randomly defending town players before your partners end up with the short end of the stick. Perhaps scum-gob defends scum-Dragons, but I don't think it felt that way to literally anyone who voted gob for that defense.

[camelCasedSnivy]

thanks but i asked jjh

[Prism]

There's also a very strong contrast between this game and gob's last scumgame. He pulls out similar wagonomics reasoning but is a lot more steadfast and confident throughout the game. This game he is very mercurial and shrinks from basically every challenge for lack of confidence.

[camelCasedSnivy]

UNVOTE: imaginality

VOTE: jjh927

lets revive this again

[camelCasedSnivy]

There's also a very strong contrast between this game and gob's last scumgame. He pulls out similar wagonomics reasoning but is a lot more steadfast and confident throughout the game. This game he is very mercurial and shrinks from basically every challenge for lack of confidence.

[gob]

LOL Wtf are people saying about me now