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[Alianna]

2.01

Votecount 2.01

DragonEater70 (1): camelCasedSnivy
biancospino (1): Aureal
KittyTacky (1): biancospino

Not Voting (7): DragonEater70, yessiree, RCEnigma, Aisa, KittyTacky, Celebloki, Not_Mafia

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-02 18:53:57).

[Celebloki]

Yeah I feel like scum would have kept Drew alive, he was controversial. That smells like a vig kill. Enchant feels like an odd choice for scum NK too though.

[yessiree]

you can't sheep yourselves, ya silly geese

this is a proper sheep

VOTE: kitty

[KittyTacky]

It's my birthday!

here, have a present. VOTE: Kitty

Yeah thanks.

I think there's a vig as I don't think scum kills Enchant.

Enchant was widely townread thou. honestly I find it weirder to believe that scum would shoot

Drew

Well I just don't see what was townie about Enchant.

[KittyTacky]

I think we should look at KKFC wagon more carefully, it grew fast.

[KittyTacky]

Drew also a weird kill yeah but Enchant is also wacky.

[KittyTacky]

What if there are 2 vigs and scum got roleblocked?

[biancospino]

What if there are 2 vigs and scum got roleblocked?

Yeah, right of the bat 2 Vigs and 1 town Roleblocker would require VVVB to be rolled. That already has (assuming I haven't messed stuff up) a probability of around 0.46% at setup-generating level; this isn't even considering that it would also need to there be no SK (which would around cut that probability in half), and that is before conditioning for any personal information one may have, like their role PM. In fact, unless you are either a Vigilante, Roleblocker, or scum with an all-PR team, in your perspective the probability should be even lower than that. In fact, this isn't even considering that the probability of a roleblocker roleblocking the killing scum is clearly much less than 1.

So, that's really not worthy of being considered unless there happens to be some

very

convincing evidence

[biancospino]

Oh, and I didn't ever consider that there are already 3 flipped VTs lol

[yessiree]

only thing we know for sure is the setup is either even number of Ts + some Vs, or odd number of Ts + no Vs

I don't think the vig would've holstered

[biancospino]

Just to be an annoying smartass, we don't actually

know

that, it can be odd Ts + some Vs + one kill got roleblocked or stacked...

[yessiree]

NERD

[KittyTacky]

Fair enough.

[RCEnigma]

Why are we going the complex route? Occam’s razor says it’s just like scum/sk or scum/vig.

[Celebloki]

If KKFC is scum they're trying to frame me I think.

I'm curious what it was KKFC said that made you think he was trying to frame you.

[Aisa]

you can't sheep yourselves, ya silly geese

Lies! You're speaking nothing but pure unadulterated lies.
Look... I just found

proof

that you're allowed to sheep yourself!~

KJ and... flea? are townreading him. that's two players who could be mafia, and we're sheeping that. I'd rather sheep myself.

(this is just an old post that I particularly liked and you reminded me of, there's no deeper point)

[DragonEater70]

Well, I think the takeaway here is that yes is, in fact, not good at tone reading Drew.

Lol

I'm sheeping myself from earlier. VOTE: biancospino

I don't really remember you voting bianco, why were/are you voting her?

Who tf kills Enchant?

uh, anyone who wants a low info kill?

I think there's a vig as I don't think scum kills Enchant.

If anything Drew makes

perfect

sense to be a vig kill. I also think I have a hunch on who's the vig, but am not telling.

I think there's a vig as I don't think scum kills Enchant.

Enchant was widely townread thou. honestly I find it weirder to believe that scum would shoot

Drew

Yeah exactly.


I think Enchant's death

might

point to either no scum or just 1 scum in SNYBEDA, but I'm not fully sure how I got there (it's late at night and I should be sleeping).

If when I wake up tomorrow I will still think that makes sense, I will probably explain my thought process.

[Aisa]

VOTE: DragonEater70
I'm not convinced this flips scum, but I do actually have some suspicion and I'd like to start looking from here today.

I think his posting yesterday looks kind of... reactive, for lack of a better word? His posting yesterday feels stuck in catch-up mode, quoting a bunch of posts and reacting to them briefly. I know he's mentioned RL stuff going on, which I'm sure has affected his posting as either alignment, but I do still have an unshakeable feeling that something more than just busyness may be going on. So um yeah I'm here to talk about it!

I'm not really sure which posts to quote since I'm more worried about the totality of his ISO than any specific post. I don't think he's done much so far that's outside of his scumrange*
*I don't actually think I've ever seen a Dragon scumgame so I'm going off what his scumrange looks like in my imagination

One specific thing I think may a bit suspicious and I'd like some clarity on is his trajectory on RCE yesterday:

Spoiler:

Meh I'm not vibing with RC here

But I want to sheep Enchant after how he found scum!FL in the micro that just ended.

Enchant do I have permission to vote RC or should I stay on Kitty?

VOTE: RC

RC I don't see you voting either me or Drew

Is it cause you are too busy bussing Kitty?

officially proposing a townbloc alliance

current members:
1. DragonEater70
2. camelCasedSnivy
3. biancospino
4. yessiree
10. Not_Mafia
12. Enchant

the bloc will be called SNYBED

I am not 100% sold on the block itself but I'm sold on the name so I'm willing to be part of it for now.

Uhm. Whiplash much? Am I stupid or are those two contradictory?

I guess you are stupid (sorry). Translation:
In first quoted post, Enchant is asking "do you think Dragon and Drew are both scum?" This is in response to RC, who claimed I was theatering with the Doc.
In the second post, Enchant is giving a read (I admit I didn't fully understand if is better or worse than ).

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

you win today pal

Are you gonna vote outed scum RC or Kitty or are you just gonna be happy with not voting?

People of the SNYBED, will you vote RC with me?

Why RCE over Kitty?

Why Kitty over RCE?

I just feel like RCE is just radiating scumvibes and while Kitty doesn't look really good either, I just don't get the same level of scumvibes?

Honestly idk I guess I could just sheep if that's what you all want.

Well bloki, if you join me I'll gladly switch back to RCE.

VOTE: RC
Oh yeah!

Well, RC does admit that Enchant is good at reading them, and Enchant did read RC as suspicious in Enchant's emote scum-o-meter. So RC is indirectly claiming that they are at least suspicious. I am more OK with an RC wagon.

VOTE: RCEnigma

Also also what a gross post.

Ugh i don't even know what you are trying to say here

Is there something substantial you want to say about the game? Do you have any reads? Opinions about the people voting you?

Anyway I'm not finding anything townie about RC's latest posts, so back goes my vote

VOTE: RCEnigma

Oh I missed the entire dialog between yess and aisa

Yess is town then, and I do agree about RC

Ok I did read RC's post and frankly while they do sound logical/good posts, they kind of sound like the scum variant of logical if that makes sense.

I just find it worrying that RC is saying, for instance, that discussing the wagon would be good but then refuses (if my interpretation is correct) to give reads on the people that are on the wagon.

Okay but like

do you think RCE is townie?

I don't think he's townie at all. Like I don't get your resistance to voting him.

Like Snivy, if RCE is null why do you care about him being voted? What makes you think it's a bad wagon / scum motivated?

what do you think is so scummy about him?

His tone + insistence not to provide reads.

And also just vibes which is different from tone.

IDK I feel RC's push on me is fabricated.

Cause it's a very surface level push presented as being deep.

4 votes

And RC is at 1 vote

Tough dilemma

I'll go with my heart

VOTE: RC

You actually think I would earnestly suggest that the Mod would purposely make sure RC isn't scum? I really hope you are joking and I just don't get it. That is crazy if you thought I was being serious. You are reading some of my posts in a way that, and I will say it again, boggles my mind. Honestly, if you are being earnest, I am somewhat insulted you would say I think Alianna, or any other mod for that matter, would do that.

And yes, looking for easy lims.......everyone has been talking about how they are just waiting for a Cele or Enchant wagon to start, right?

Like I thought it was a joke but it feels weird that you are repeating that joke like, 3? 4? times

What am I supposed to make of it?

It just feels like a weird way to defend RC

(these are not all the posts he has related to RC, just some of the ones I thought were most relevant)

There's... quite little in the way of concrete accusations here? I think the most concrete account of his suspicions is 273, which to be fair is a good thought
But @DE it would still be good to hear your case on RCE given that you spent most of yesterday kinda shading him but without giving details

I see you in my preview, by the way

[yessiree]

Alright I think I understand the scumcase on Aureal

VOTE: Aureal

And you're probably wondering why I've been trying not to be too fussed about this game. You're town, I'm town, and I'm not going through this again.

And you're probably wondering why I've been trying not to be too fussed about this game. You're town, I'm town, and I'm not going through this again.

Okay sorry

UNVOTE:

gonna make a moral judgement call that scum!aureal doesn't bully young men like this

[yessiree]

gonna make another character judgement call that cCS is not good enough as scum to follow through the shitpush on drew close to deadline

[Aureal]

I think his posting yesterday looks kind of... reactive, for lack of a better word? His posting yesterday feels stuck in catch-up mode, quoting a bunch of posts and reacting to them briefly. I know he's mentioned RL stuff going on, which I'm sure has affected his posting as either alignment, but I do still have an unshakeable feeling that something more than just busyness may be going on. So um yeah I'm here to talk about it!

*cries quietly in corner*

[KittyTacky]

If KKFC is scum they're trying to frame me I think.

I'm curious what it was KKFC said that made you think he was trying to frame you.

They didn't do much but defend me.

Now that's moot since they were just a kinda scummy townie.

[KittyTacky]

Who tf kills Enchant?

uh, anyone who wants a low info kill?

Enchant is likely to hurt town with that gimmick and would likely have hung.

[biancospino]

If KKFC is scum they're trying to frame me I think.

I'm curious what it was KKFC said that made you think he was trying to frame you.

They didn't do much but defend me.

Now that's moot since they were just a kinda scummy townie.

That's what I've asked you yesterDay but it doesn't make much sense that you'd think that. 'Cause for scum!Katy that would be a one-for-one which isn't really beneficial to scum; and he would've to have planned that all along for an utility questionable at best and negative at worst.

[KittyTacky]

I thought maybe he was just struggling with the game and didn't replace out for some reason.