Open 889 | Secrets of the Anuket Topaz | fin.

[imaginality]

Fire was way more active as scum in the game I played with him (not sure if his scum playstyle is always that way or if it was purely tactical for that particular game given his scumbuddies were also hyperposting) but it's distinctly different from this game.

[imaginality]

Hey Prism, when I'm scum I usually bus heavily so feel free to vote with me even if you do scumread me.

There's probably more reason to vote with me if I were scum than if I were town actually, hit rate wise.

[Firebringer]

activity is not a method to read me by

[imaginality]

Gob and Prism have done the "early distancing and then softening" pattern this game and now both vote me makes me wonder if they could be partners. I think if so then that points to Titus town and them wanting to redirect today's lim to another townie now the Titus wagon has started to dwindle.

[jjh927]

I think Gob just looks like town that doesn't really know what he's doing

what is the distinction between "town that doesn't really know what they're doing" and "pretending to be clueless scum"

i agree with you that gob is town though but not with you

One of them is genuine and one of them is an act. The level to which Gob is influenced by whoever he is talking to would be very difficult to fake.

[jjh927]

Gob and Prism have done the "early distancing and then softening" pattern this game and now both vote me makes me wonder if they could be partners. I think if so then that points to Titus town and them wanting to redirect today's lim to another townie now the Titus wagon has started to dwindle.

Wasn't Titus your biggest scumread?

Also, do you think Camel is town? Why?

[imaginality]

Yes, for her play at the start of today, but I don't see Gob and Prism aligned with Titus so either I'm wrong about my hunch their shift to pushing me might be aligned, or I'm wrong about Titus.

Re. camel it's a low townread just because I haven't got the sense that camel has been posting with a hidden agenda, and also haven't got the impression camel has hidden info. Seems a bit all over the place but asks some questions that make sense to ask.

[jjh927]

If Camel is town and Titus is town then what is making 2 scum commit to pushing you

[imaginality]

I see what you're getting at but I can imagine scum thinking I'm more likely to post 'bad' posts than camel so easier to justify getting me limmed as "oh well he really looked bad".

Alternatively it's possible they were worried about a lim building on whoever the third scum is in this scenario, or on one of them. I'd have to reread the last few pages or more though (from whenever the last votecount was) to see whether that's plausible. I'll do that later tonight (NZ)

[jjh927]

That is a very you-centric view of the gamestate

[jjh927]

Have you looked through Prism's recent developments that do not focus on you? Do they read scum motivated in the same way?

[imaginality]

Sure it is. I know my alignment. Right now I'm not trying to convince others I'm just trying to make sense of the game from my perspective

[jjh927]

The fact that Prism was unable to put in activity due to IRL reasons for a while is the reason he is only just popping up now regardless of his alignment. The timing of a push won't inherently have scum motivation as its primary cause in this case because there is a known much bigger reason for that timing

[imaginality]

I think Prism's pushed camel a bit too seriously today to be distancing.

I don't know what to make of Prism's interactions with Firebringer. Doesn't give me alignment pings on either.

[imaginality]

The fact that Prism was unable to put in activity due to IRL reasons for a while is the reason he is only just popping up now regardless of his alignment. The timing of a push won't inherently have scum motivation as its primary cause in this case because there is a known much bigger reason for that timing

My comment wasn't about Prism's activity levels, it was more about the way those two votes came on me with little in the way of additional justification and at a time when it seems like a successful wagon push might be valuable for scum

[jjh927]

My point was that the activity levels are the strongest possible explanation for the timing

[imaginality]

2058 is most recent votecount:
imaginality [3]: Ydrasse, camelCasedSnivy, Titus
Titus [1]: Firebringer
Shirou [1]:Andresvmb
jjh927 [1]: gob
camelCasedSnivy [1]: jjh927

I vote Titus 2074
Fire votes camel 2077
Ydrasse unvotes me 2084
StD votes me 2099
T3 votes me 2168
Prism votes camel 2190
Camel switches from me to jjh 2197
Prism votes Fire 2200
Gob votes me 2203
T3 votes camel 2214
T3 unvotes 2235
Prism votes camel 2240
Prism votes me 2246

Fuck who knows. I could be wrong. I can see scum wanting to make their preferred lim happen or at least become inevitable before Shirou gets active in case he stirs stuff up again. StD's vote on me would also fit but StD seems more of a coinflip.

I don't think camel switches away from me to jjh when he did, if camel is scum.

[jjh927]

I can definitely see it

The scummiest scum only needs to hammer vote in the end today

[jjh927]

If there are 2 scum up on the probable chopping block then the scumteam will be shitting themselves

[jjh927]

Scum's top priority in this day phase should be for surviving day 3 with their second scummiest slot if they are playing to win. Getting a mislim here would be a side objective

[imaginality]

You don't think they'd rather like to avoid having to reveal five players as townies?

[imaginality]

It effectively changes it from 8-2 tomorrow to 3-2. Pretty sure their second scummiest player can hide better among 10 than among 5.

[camelCasedSnivy]

i thought that, at least as of now, scum would be more worried about surviving day 4 or 5 since that actually loses them the game

[Prism]

imaginality seems to have completely missed that I spent most of the game refusing to vote him and defending his playstyle to people calling for votes on him. If I'm being opportunistic I definitely waited quite some time...and after criticizing a zenith?

Also lol @ me/gob being partners

[Prism]

I'm still bewildered by imaginality's thought that Shirou has anything to do with my actions. Maybe the consistency of the thought should be townread, but meh.