Mini Normal 2314 - The Mafia Have a Cop [END]

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I want to hear from Hu Tao and gera the most right now.
Where their heads/reads are at.
What they talked about over night.
You know, basic stuff.

Drew is in the neighborhood with Gera.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess scum!Drew doesn't have a lot of reasons to clear me from being the Traitor.
Especially since I'd argue I'm a very unlikely group!scum based on most peoples reads (??) and I'm the one who constantly keeps shouting that there might not be a Traitor.

i think this is the best argument for Drew being town + the Marcistar element yesterday.

Also, you kept talking like Marcistar was for sure the lim, but people were actively trying to give her a pass, Drew, Firebringer, Hu Tao, and Nono all expressed letting Marci resolve themself.

I actively shut that down.

[Flavor Leaf]

Funnily enough I thought at night that Roden or Bulge would make for great NKs because I had no actual reads on them, but I wanted scum to take out Drew even more just to get the WIFOM outta here asap.

if you had no actual read on Roden at that point, I think you may have a tunneled issue this game. Roden was like near IC obv town based on how they played Day 2.

On top of that, I think their assessment of Una/Drew T/T is correct, and I believe Una/Drew back and forth by all means should have been scum's hopeful path for today's day phase.

If you somehow still think I can be scum here after pushing Marci the way I did when others were giving her a pass, and then giving town reasonings on you and drew, while I theorized on how Drew could still be scum, might I add, then it for sure shows how much youve been blocked by tunnel this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

snap outta it

[Flavor Leaf]

i also dont think anyone here would play coach to drew either.

weird line of posts, but i dont think it's scummy, just weird

[UnaBombaH]

I might be tunneling this game, sure.
But you should also know that objectively your actions D2 are NAI considering the open wolfing by marci that took place.
I'm not blaming you specifically for that fastlim, but you did your part to make it very quick.
I'd actually think scum!FL would hardbuss marci in that scenario, and it would've been discussed in the scum-pt as well.

[UnaBombaH]

I did briefly feel scum!Drew =//= scum!FL somehow.
Although that claim by Drew is literally something that I can see scum!FL suggesting.
Weird/wonky enough to not seem too "easy" and normal. Reasonable and setup specific enough to be believable by most.
I do think that having an informed role literally for confirming the existence of the Traitor feels just wrong though. Most of you already assumed that presence anyway. I might've been the only one to question it.
Plus IF there's no Traitor, it's in the scums best interest to hide it anyway. Especially now that we have one flipped group!scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

i dont bus unless i have to.

[Flavor Leaf]

and if i were scum with Marci, Marci would have lived no doubt about it.

[UnaBombaH]

Hard disagree.
But not worth the argument either.

[UnaBombaH]

You have no idea how much my "tunneling"/tunneling has been refueled by these few pages btw. Mainly because I called ahead some things that scum might want to do early on. And you and Drew have delivered most of those.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, you’re wrong on that

I have like 100% certainty from my side that I’d have been able to get Marci out of it if I was ever their partner, and you even said earlier you had seen me with partners all get in weird claim situations and get out of it.

That’s kind of a common occurrence when I’m scum.

This was a super easy defend if I was ever Marci partner

[geraintm]

quickly checking in.

I am very trusting of Drew, they have been very consistent throughtout the game and i have zero reason to doubt their claims.
(you didn't respond to my last few messages in the hood though, left me hanging

i received the mailman message last night. there was no indication on the loyalty or not of the sender.

[geraintm]

VCA wise, one on one off Marci makes sense as a base based on how it went about.

Marci's elimination was baffaling.
I have no idea how they managed to get themselves eliminated, and why they stuck to their "I'm loyal" bit and refuse to budge from it. if they had, they would have surely survived.
because of how strange Marci was i don't know if much could be mde of where their known partner was and the traitor was.

[geraintm]

yeah i dont see geraint being that role fishy to drew as scum either

me being scum in a hood with Drew and our interactions is so beyond my skillset.

[geraintm]

traitor mailman doesnt make sense because they can just send their team mail telling them who they are.

could the traitor mailman have some sort of loyal modifier? to mirror the one we already got?

[geraintm]

kinda defeats the purpose unless it's Disloyal Mailman.

would a miller screw with this?

[Flavor Leaf]

kinda defeats the purpose unless it's Disloyal Mailman.

would a miller screw with this?

nah, Disloyal and Loyal aren't effected by Miller. It goes by True Alignment in Normal.

[geraintm]

The Bulge
Geraint

Unabombah
Dannflor

Doctor Drew
Firebringer

Nono
Hu Tao

you have me as more townie than Drew?

[UnaBombaH]

Marci's elimination was baffaling.
I have no idea how they managed to get themselves eliminated, and why they stuck to their "I'm loyal" bit and refuse to budge from it.

THIS was my point.
scum!FL might've been able to get marci out of that situation WITHOUT the open wolfing, but with the way they decided to act yesterday pretty much confirms to me that it was premeditated.
So WHOEVER is their partner honestly must've known how marci was gonna play D2, and the claimed/actual result on Drew was premeditated as well.

[UnaBombaH]

I have like 100% certainty from my side that I’d have been able to get Marci out of it if I was ever their partner, and you even said earlier you had seen me with partners all get in weird claim situations and get out of it.

Unless it is literally scum!FL with scum!Drew and that is the partner that you DECIDE and CAN save.
marci might've been willing or even adamant they wanted to go based on their posting D2.

[geraintm]

For selfish reasons, I might just want Drew limmed today.
To me the remaining scum are within Drew/FL/HuTao/Dann.
I'm obviously going to read the game from the start so I might def. change my mind.

i aint touching Drew today

[UnaBombaH]

If you are not touching them today, I'm afraid no one is touching them ever and they are just left to be a wine stain on the table.

[UnaBombaH]

Or is the day that Hu Tao gets wagoned, now that I'm not half as interested in limmin them anymore?

[Nono]

thinking fire/dann
what's the plan for massclaim