Mini Normal 2314 - The Mafia Have a Cop [END]

[Flavor Leaf]

What’s the case

[Flavor Leaf]

Cuz i don’t see fire as scum

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao has to be scum if scum with Nono because Mason claim.

This is why I like limming NoNo or Hu, even if wrong it instantly clears the other.

No chance you believe this as town.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Dannflor

Been waiting for someone to jump on me for literal days now. Outed scum.

you are making this up

We vote fire or Drew imo

Why?

I see them as most likely scum. Force scum to kill in masons

[Hu Tao]

If they kill outside masons it makes the game harder for them

[Titus]

VOTE: Dannflor

Been waiting for someone to jump on me for literal days now. Outed scum.

you are making this up

We vote fire or Drew imo

Why?

I see them as most likely scum. Force scum to kill in masons

How does this force scum to shoot you?

[Firebringer]

I think I want fire first

why

because the only reason i haven't entertained the idea that masons could be scum is because i townread you, so what are you scumreading me for exactly

[Firebringer]

well that and i don't think this setup makes sense or is balanced without masons
but i was townreading u Hu Tao. So I would like a reason for ur scumread

[Flavor Leaf]

My main reason for Mason fade is that both of their play throughout the game (bar Hu Tao day 1) has been extremely lacking. Maybe thats a plus towards Town Hu Tao.

If Fire is scum with like Dann, it doesn't make sense for them to not have piled onto Nono when Drew, Una, and I were there.

[Hu Tao]

My main reason for Mason fade is that both of their play throughout the game (bar Hu Tao day 1) has been extremely lacking. Maybe thats a plus towards Town Hu Tao.

If Fire is scum with like Dann, it doesn't make sense for them to not have piled onto Nono when Drew, Una, and I were there.

My activity is NAI

[geraintm]

VOTE: Dannflor

Been waiting for someone to jump on me for literal days now. Outed scum.

you are making this up

We vote fire or Drew imo

Why?

I see them as most likely scum. Force scum to kill in masons

This ^^^

I don't think scum know who the traitor is and so have to shoot carefully.

[UnaBombaH]

I still want una elimmed and think his jump on nono is scummy even saying ohh im bored so im cool with it.

It was either town!FL doing ~something, or scum!FL trying to push for Masons.
Either way I wanted to join that until I saw how you and gera would react.

To me there's pretty much only two actual townbinned players for now and that's you two.

[UnaBombaH]

I still want una elimmed and think his jump on nono is scummy even saying ohh im bored so im cool with it.

I'd love to hear more about una

I just feel una has been like transparently obvious town this game and while I don't love the hop on nono it's not exactly the most damning thing to me

I've been asking for interactions and even tried to put myself to a spot to be pushed D1 and got almost nothing.
I'm still not sure whether it has been the time difference, or if this playerlist has just been active very sporadically.
It seems this morning is a little different at least.

[Flavor Leaf]

My main reason for Mason fade is that both of their play throughout the game (bar Hu Tao day 1) has been extremely lacking. Maybe thats a plus towards Town Hu Tao.

If Fire is scum with like Dann, it doesn't make sense for them to not have piled onto Nono when Drew, Una, and I were there.

My activity is NAI

Not talking about activity.

[UnaBombaH]

idk. hu tao on FB doesnt feel like a scum move there.

Not sure myself. I've been trying to revisit D1 and wonder why I scumread Hu Tao so clearly.
And I realize that it was a wholly different experience to
jump on them after a reaction I read as scummy --> gaining some form of conf.bias in little doses throughout the day
vs
now reading it + knowing their claim with nono + knowing what jjhthjtrh flipped and when..

I can still see scum!HuTao easily, but yet again I feel like limming Masons at this game state is just objectively wrong. Maybe.

scum arent doing shit this game. maybe dann/bulge is like the right solve because of that.

Not absolutely sure about this either. Hard to differentiate moon logic from actual logic this game.
I feel like my time away from this form on Mafia is actually hurting me here - I can see so many scenarios that my brain is definitely functioning, but I completely lack certainty and conviction when it comes to deciding which way to push right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don’t care about objectively wrong tbh.

No chance a Mason gets shot, we have to deal with it eventually.

If setup spec isn’t like damn sure, and personally, while i think it works with Masons, i think a minimally complex setup works.

Town PT Cop with Masons and Traitor does not feel right

[UnaBombaH]

Titus replaces The Bulge

Oh my......

[UnaBombaH]

Una is essentially confirmed Mailman unless Una/Drew did something wild.

Gera also confirms that I am indeed Mailman. So no questions there.
Obv. can't confirm alignment though, but I am 100% confirmed Mailman.

[UnaBombaH]

Crackpot theory to here

Dann and FL team

Hey hey hey, that has been MY crackpot theory so far!

[UnaBombaH]

Well, do you townread Dannfloor?

My VCA suggests that marcistar was offered as an alternative to Dannfloor because marcistar role clears people.

PLUS something you def. don't know yet, but FL clearly activated a lot more once Dann was getting under fire in a situation where marci had already made their ~claim D1.
I called that out, and it lead me down the potential FL+Dann theory even before marci flipped scum.
I've just been sidetracked by competing scenarios the whole game.

[UnaBombaH]

Una i havent looked in too much today, but they also have been playing so weird if scum, and we dont think Una Mailman targets Drew the same night Marcistar does and then have the Marci and Drew have that much confusion over the Mailman message. Just was kinda weird play if scum, so Una probs town.

I know this is stupid to maybe even say, but if anyone knows my play and considers me at any level above "Horrible", they should just use this to clear me as town.
I would never do that as a teammate to Drew+marci, and NEVER risk that confusion as Traitor either.
But yea, not gonna assume anyone other than Boon would know/say this here.

[UnaBombaH]

Firebringer and Drew's claims are the absolute worst ones.

And again, this I do agree with. Not taking into account the setup at all, just those roles in on themselves feel awful to me.
Maybe with the sideflavor of gera being neighbours with Drew and ONLY being a neighbour.
Backup Mailman is just silly to me if FB doesn't have any modifiers either.

[UnaBombaH]

is this the day we all do fake pushes

Somehow something this simple just got a hearty laugh out of me.

i tried for ages to get scum to come after me

they wont.

maybe im just scum who forgot my role pm

I honestly TRIED this D1.
And what I got was an ALMOST universal townread instead.
Weird game.

[UnaBombaH]

id be open to fading a mason, if they flip town, Dann confirm Loyal Babysits one of them, then if scum want to kill mason, they have to kill Dann, and if we end up with all of them, we end up in like 6p elo, right? hmm.

No, you see this is why I think it's objectively false to limm a Mason today.
The whole babysitter-angle makes it way too dangerous imo, and if we end up in MyLo/LyLo tomorrow it benefits scum WAY more.

[UnaBombaH]

What if scum had a TraitorCop and something like a Gunsmith in group!scum?
Wouldn't that actually work setup wise since that'd still fit with the premise and give group!scum a way to find their Traitor?