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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 4:07 am

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In post 373, Keyleth wrote:
In post 335, Dunnstral wrote: Going to throw out some wild reads. Brown Eyes, Meuh, Mandate, Taly, Keyleth, Merlyn are townies.
Can you go into detail a bit more about the first two for me, please?
pedit: Wait, I thought I was a wolf now I need to find them?!


Well for Brown Eyes I liked their early thoughts on the setup in and . Post seems inquisitive, and then post seems unlikely to come from mafia as I find mafia usually have a harder time understanding information like this, especially when pairing it to people who haven't posted yet.


For Meuh I like posts and , and note how she townreads Sakura anyway in post , which would be an odd thing to do as mafia given their argument to you which is actually based on the theory.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 4:42 am

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In post 425, beeboy wrote: @Dunn r any of these alts you know who and which one
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 4:44 am

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Lazy Shirou I don't know what to expect from you as mafia after having played with you a few times before.

I am cautiously townreading your posts on the previous page 18
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 4:45 am

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In post 444, Lazy Shirou wrote: Then, did you misunderstand what my point was or do you still think it's an "unsubstantial" read?
Misunderstood your point, I think engaging in theoretical discussion that doesn't amount to much and revolves around general ideas on the game rather than things specific to what's currently going on is scummy, both for myself and for others, so it's fair
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:20 am

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VOTE: aristeia
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:21 am

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can you elaborate on your keyleth feelings, shirou?
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:41 am

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In post 451, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 425, beeboy wrote: @Dunn r any of these alts you know who and which one
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:21 am

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I wanna call Meuh town too now.
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:24 am

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I don't know about Toriel I feel like I oscillate thinking that Dunn is hard scum and hard town and I'm starting to feel like the player just doesn't click with me and I should rely on other players' reads there.

Looking forward to seeing some content from Alisae and Implosion especially!
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:54 am

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UNVOTE:

i like
mandate
so this vote is pointless

im also incredibly fucked up from side effects on a medication and i might be getting actually sick

so i dont have the capacity to think through the lsat few pages well
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:55 am

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yeah i dont do AtE @Shirou

all my emotional responses are pure and without a plan, plus im sorry to
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:56 am

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15 pages and its still
key/me
? somethings wrong here
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:57 am

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i like
shirou
for townpings because i tihnk their takes are a bit individualistic for this thread
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:58 am

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dann
feels like you fell off a bit in activity
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:58 am

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At some point before d2.5 or during the beginning of it I'll do the EV for each option if no one else has. It looks like the design thread doesn't have it for this version of the setup.

Gut from pages 1-4 is Dann town (though I think I remember seeing that's someone consensus?), Mandate town, Taly scummy e.g. don't really like the "is of note" at the end of . Noncommittal, throwing shade without actually saying that he scumreads a slot that's been doing a bunch of stuff. I thought Mandate's opening was slightly +town even from someone who is clearly gimmicking and I like the timing of the Taly vote on page 4 quite a lot. Dann is townish just for voting like 8 times in 4 pages.

I'm pretty much with Mandate until which is a Bad Post. I mean it's easily Mandate lying to themself as town but the Bayesian argument against hard partner tells on page 6 is a pet peeve of mine. The sheer odds that you're right about a "x and y are partnered" read is so low (less than 4%) as to, in principle, require a huge amount of evidence to surmount. I also don't really have a read on Keyleth at this point fwiw

is actually an interesting post and probably true of me bc I probably would have explained things in the scum PT at some point, alas. Probably +town (maybe strongly) for Brown Eyes to point out an observation like that, it's an observation that could easily just never be made by anyone. Dunn calling Brown Eyes town shortly after this is slightly good for Dunn (who I don't really have much of a read on at this point).

by Mandate is also a bad post IMO (they're still town), I think making a strong assumption that scum would townbloc in this setup is sort of unfounded. Plus scum would have to actually be in the thread to do that and it's always possible that scum just hadn't entered the thread yet at that point

Through page 7 so far and I guess I'm hitting submit on what I have so far
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:59 am

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ari's
scumread is fun to hear, i thought she was the only one working with me given that i function largely off 1-on-1 convos and questions and real-time interactions

i dont have the spoons for ISOs or deep dives rn
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:00 am

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when im LHF i guess i townhunt nowadays
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:03 am

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In post 453, Meuh wrote:
In post 444, Lazy Shirou wrote: Then, did you misunderstand what my point was or do you still think it's an "unsubstantial" read?
Misunderstood your point, I think engaging in theoretical discussion that doesn't amount to much and revolves around general ideas on the game rather than things specific to what's currently going on is scummy, both for myself and for others, so it's fair
only thing ive read from
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:05 am

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In post 464, implosion wrote: At some point before d2.5 or during the beginning of it I'll do the EV for each option if no one else has. It looks like the design thread doesn't have it for this version of the setup.

Gut from pages 1-4 is Dann town (though I think I remember seeing that's someone consensus?), Mandate town, Taly scummy e.g. don't really like the "is of note" at the end of . Noncommittal, throwing shade without actually saying that he scumreads a slot that's been doing a bunch of stuff. I thought Mandate's opening was slightly +town even from someone who is clearly gimmicking and I like the timing of the Taly vote on page 4 quite a lot. Dann is townish just for voting like 8 times in 4 pages.

I'm pretty much with Mandate until which is a Bad Post. I mean it's easily Mandate lying to themself as town but the Bayesian argument against hard partner tells on page 6 is a pet peeve of mine. The sheer odds that you're right about a "x and y are partnered" read is so low (less than 4%) as to, in principle, require a huge amount of evidence to surmount. I also don't really have a read on Keyleth at this point fwiw

is actually an interesting post and probably true of me bc I probably would have explained things in the scum PT at some point, alas. Probably +town (maybe strongly) for Brown Eyes to point out an observation like that, it's an observation that could easily just never be made by anyone. Dunn calling Brown Eyes town shortly after this is slightly good for Dunn (who I don't really have much of a read on at this point).

by Mandate is also a bad post IMO (they're still town), I think making a strong assumption that scum would townbloc in this setup is sort of unfounded. Plus scum would have to actually be in the thread to do that and it's always possible that scum just hadn't entered the thread yet at that point

Through page 7 so far and I guess I'm hitting submit on what I have so far
keep it up, it gets my rusty ass wheels turning ;)
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:07 am

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Dunn
is actually town, nothing like I've seen from them typically as scum from this page alone
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:08 am

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i should probably read
key
a fraction as critically as everyone else here but that feels like id be swept into the same tunnel vision, plsu its not so interesting
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:11 am

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In post 463, Taly wrote:
dann
feels like you fell off a bit in activity
yes

i dont think constant thread presence is good for my reads or for other people

what about it
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:12 am

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curious as to why you think so
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:12 am

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In post 469, Taly wrote:
Dunn
is actually town, nothing like I've seen from them typically as scum from this page alone
what specifically? dunnstral is probably one of the players on this site that i have the most trouble distinguishing specific characteristics between their town and scum games
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:13 am

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dunn
is giving nuanced and specific thought
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