Open 889 | Secrets of the Anuket Topaz | fin.

[T3]

He even admits he DOESN'T have a read on Firebringer and still votes them today when we desperately need to find scum

I voted Firebringer because I wanted to see what would happen

[T3]

What happened is that I scumread Andres more VOTE: Andres

[Prism]

Chronically anxious man struggles to live up to the expectations of both himself and others. A tale as old as time.

[T3]

I'm the easiest mislim ever

[T3]

Also I think ydra is town

[T3]

[Prism]

I believe in gob. He will return.

[gob]

My conputer fucking died. I spilled water on it like a while ago and i thought it was fine but it just randomly got really slow and now wont start.

Basically my post was that, I think the team is imaginality and Firebringer/Ydrasse/Andres

Imaginality was on the day 1 misboot of Alisae, and then also on Titus whilst being the c-wagon. Just the fact Titus had resistance in the form of Imaginality, spews Imaginality as scum.

Firebrigner ydrasse and andres were off wagon

Im going off memory here but i got these because The day 1 wagon. Firebringer, ydrasse voted Titus.

Andres was voting me i think? they were alone on wagon.

JJH and StD were also off wagon but i have taken them out since i think theyre town.

The day 2 wagon I think shows camel and imaginality and then Ydrasse fire andres as the last scum.

Ydrasse almost certainly leaves the game first. Unless they purposely pretended to get mad and slank as a crazy play.

Firebringer I am thinking is the last wolf. I feel like they have gone under the radar more than anyone. I sort of gave them a pass because they posted more than T3, imaginality and JjH for a while.

Andres I really hate their vote on StD here today. It felt like they were trying to jump on what they perceived as the easiest wagon. However, they were totally on their own wagon Day 1. Which I think makes me think he is just that type of dude.


HOWEVER, there is one person we cannot forget.

Shirou.

I have been holding it in but I have had my suspicions against Shirou rise ever since the start of Day 3. I feel like they totally feel off. Furthermore, they were on Alisae’s wagon and then… actually the more i remember how things went down, I think Shirou is probably town.

Its possible I am wrong on imaginality. I dont think so. But Firebringer or Andres is scum 100% mechanically (wagonomics) and I lean Firebringer.


Imaginality, Shirou, T3, Prism someone else im forgetting are all in the same pool btw. (being the people on Alisae day 1), but given Day 2 i think its imaginality almost certainly.

[gob]

I don’t play basketball, but I just shot the three.

[gob]

Anyone have any questions? I had to write most of that from memory. My computer finally turned on though lol. All my shit breaks and then comes back alive… metaphorical maybe??

[Lazy Shirou]

thank you for solving the game gob

now we can finally wrap this up and go home

[Lazy Shirou]

[Lazy Shirou]

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*the game ending credits start to roll*

*once more, the day was saved by Gob, the BEST MAFIA PLAYER Jigglypuff*

[Lazy Shirou]

I'm the easiest scum lim here

hopefully.

[jjh927]

Anyone have any questions? I had to write most of that from memory. My computer finally turned on though lol. All my shit breaks and then comes back alive… metaphorical maybe??

Are you going to keep voting imaginality or are you going to change your vote

[jjh927]

What more do you have besides "Imaginality was the counterwagon to Titus" to indicate scum!Imaginality? As it happened, the only scum we know about was on the Imaginality wagon and there was absolutely no guarantee that Titus was gonna go through.

jjhnumbers' unofficial and very cool votecount
Player	Votes	Voters
imaginality	5	Titus, Save The Dragons, gob, camelCasedSnivy, Shirou
Titus	5	imaginality, Ydrasse, Prism, T3, jjh927
gob	1	Andresvmb
camelCasedSnivy	1	Firebringer

This was the most important votecount in the game. You might have missed it due to the tendency of wagonomics proponents to completely miss any game context that cannot be captured within the moderator's iso.

What I think you currently lack is an understanding of how that wagon got pushed. It was constantly pushed relentlessly by Titus, who ultimately flipped town. That doesn't make it a scum wagon. It just made it the counterwagon to Titus because the game wound up in 2 camps; the group of people that did not want to lim Titus at eod, and the group of people who did. If you did not want to eliminate Titus, then voting anyone other than imaginality was made to be an incredibly difficult and painful task.


I don't understand why you think that this wagon formation yields scum when the day 1 wagon on STD apparently cannot.

[gob]

I dont think you understand how significant Imaginality dying to Titus wagon is. You say it like its some small thing but its hugely important.

Again it is possible imaginality is town, the pool is wide, but im almost certain its imaginality because of how the wagons went. The mafia had to step in and put heavy resistance to imaginality’s wagon. I havent like imaginality’s actual posting either, but thats secondary.

I am willing to vote whoever but imaginality has votes unlike firebringer so i decided to stay on them.

[jjh927]

The only mafia we know about was literally on the imaginality wagon

I am saying it is a small thing that imaginality was a counter because I cannot see a reason why it's important, and you have failed to articulate one besides repeatedly saying that counterwagons are of inherent significance

[jjh927]

Let's just take a quick fact check here: Did the mafia step in and put heavy resistance to imaginality's wagon? No, Imaginality's wagon was stalled and only eventually peaked when Titus was being rung up

[jjh927]

The Titus wagon mainly came about because Prism voted there and I moved over from sitting on Camel for ages and then Shirou made the meta post regarding Titus' wildly inconsistent opinions on slips

Imaginality became a more significant counter when Shirou ultimately decided to vote for Imaginality over Titus and tied the wagons at 5, which was E-2. This is also notably different to other games because putting someone at E-1 allows for scum to potentially drop in and hammer then leave the game in a way that probably interferes with your wagon analysis heuristics.

[gob]

Imaginality is still clearly the scummiest in tbat pool. Not sure why you are defending them by tearing down my argument mainly.

But idk you are probably right about the context. Sorry i cant reply more in depth im at work.

What do you think about Firebringer?

[jjh927]

Do you recall when Imaginality wasn't getting much momentum and Firebringer joined me on Camel?

[jjh927]

I think it goes a long way given how little sense the actions make as scum if you play it out with both town and scum imag

I also think the way Fire has voted in this day phase is not at all hesitant and that will make lives a lot easier if we end up reaching day 4 even if you do suspect him

[jjh927]

My biggest concern on Fire is that Ali said he was within his scum range on day 1 and to be quite honest I don't really know what scum!fire looks like but I thought he was town then and I still do

[gob]

Do you recall when Imaginality wasn't getting much momentum and Firebringer joined me on Camel?

No to be honest lol.