Wait wait, no. It’s not the same. The fundamental structure of the game makes it so that Scum really don’t want to bus D1, and if they can get away with it, D2 (who even wants to be in a game with 5 confirmed Town as Scum?). jjh has behaved very much like Town, is experienced, and has good accuracy. This reality should make you question whether I would actually do that as Scum. You’re saying who gives a shit, you did it in a different game as Scum. The downside of doing it in that other game is nowhere near the same. An objective analysis of this should allow you to differentiate. It’s nothing like the absurd comparison you put forth.
I'm not really interested in debating this and getting into the weeds, especially since I reject the entire premise that it is a bad strategy outright and only tracked down the meta receipts to argue on your terms.
I don't think I want or need to accept a third layer of things I don't believe and argue about them, even though I easily could.
Okay you think it’s a good strategy then. We disagree. Apparently I’ve handed my vote out as Scum. Have you found any instances where I did the same as Town? Or are you looking selectively to make me look bad?
How about how I think about this point more generally? Say, here: viewtopic.php?p=12902580#p12902580. Not relevant? Nothing selective about your meta then?
You're the one who argued it was +town, not me. I would have readily accepted it as NAI, and I actually believed that it was. I never pushed you for the doublevote choice.
The price you're paying now is the price for being dishonest.
In post 3497, T3 wrote:
Maybe Shirou and Prism and Andres are all town
I'll give it to you that Andres effort here makes me wanna give him some town points compared to Imaginality or StD but I don't think it's enough to change my mind
The Deathtunnel Archon Shirou without any of his aggro or hyperposting powers.
Legend says that one day he may reclaim his Gnosis and show his effortful form once again, but until that fated day comes...
The lesson here is if you're going to say "I wouldn't do X as scum" and actively push the point repeatedly, you should probably make sure you haven't done X as scum.
How the hell is it dishonest? Like what?! It IS +Town. I’ve done it as both alignments, as we’ve now conclusively proven. Except, I would be a lot less inclined to want to do it here, for reasons I’ve explained. If I had only done it as Scum, I could see your point from a distance.
You can disagree with my explanation and you have. That’s totally fine. But I am NOT being dishonest with my argument. You’re so tunneled you will never accept anything that conflicts with your view. Fine. But this is just so that others don’t latch on to what you’re saying without going through all that’s actually out there.
I didn’t argue that making a Towny slot a double voter essentially without any context makes me Town ffs.
I’m not going to engage with you anymore, Prism. Like the rest of the game. I really did try. I have. I’ll finish my reading in peace, put a more definitive vote down, and move on. I don’t need to fight you to the death. You want to push me over the edge at all costs? By all means. I mean this sincerely - I hope you’re Scum.
In post 3497, T3 wrote:
Maybe Shirou and Prism and Andres are all town
I'll give it to you that Andres effort here makes me wanna give him some town points compared to Imaginality or StD but I don't think it's enough to change my mind
I mean I'm pretty sure at this point that his modus operandi is just to argue every minutia tooth and nail to make it unreadable. There were points in prior arguments where he was very clearly arguing
in favor of my point
but framing it as a loud protest that I disagreed with (e.g. timing of his activity spike being NAI)
This one is so crystal-clear it's unbelievable. Yet he's still here trying to argue he should be +town for giving his vote to jjh, warping my point to be "the doublevote is scummy", and throwing a fit over getting the receipts pulled instead of just saying yeah sorry it's NAI and moving on.
By this point this game is mostly me and Prism trying to direct wagons on our scum reads, with an occasional JJH appearance and Gob as the town mascot.
I dunno if that plot can make for a good novel.
The Deathtunnel Archon Shirou without any of his aggro or hyperposting powers.
Legend says that one day he may reclaim his Gnosis and show his effortful form once again, but until that fated day comes...
I'll pretend to jump off a bridge if there's no scum in [StD/Imaginality/Andres/T3]
and @Gob, I agree with you that Firebringer could be scum but I just think he can also be town and the above pool is like, ?guaranteed? to have his partner.
If it's something dumb like Fire/JJH or Fire/Ydra I just give up on this shit tbh
The Deathtunnel Archon Shirou without any of his aggro or hyperposting powers.
Legend says that one day he may reclaim his Gnosis and show his effortful form once again, but until that fated day comes...
Did some rooting around the previously linked scumgame from Andres. Level of effort+types of appeals are pretty par for the course, so he's probably not town for those either. What a shame that for as hard as I've looked, I continue to come up empty on this front.
We could have eliminated the dude ages ago but I decided it would be better if we all suffered a bit more in order to get more viable information in the case of a townflip
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
In post 3126, imaginality wrote:
My first impression of Andres' bunch of posts just now is the thought process makes sense to me. Particularly the suspicion of gob but also the wariness over Shirou.
I feel like it woule have been really tempting for Andres as scum to add to the pressure on StD rather than redirecting to gob. Unless the scumteam is specifically Andres and StD. But I still doubt camel escapes first with StD as a scumbuddy though. So I'm going to say Andres is town.
VOTE: gob
Like I can understand that this how you feel from a strategic perspective. Namely, I seem to be avoiding STD, pushing gob, if you think Shirou is Town, I can probably never get Prism from this position, then it would make sense that I’m aligned with STD, and you don’t see how camel leaves STD behind. That’s clear. But is there anything about my play specifically?
imaginality will need to move his vote but is presumably tied up with his personal life right now. jjh is determined to openly rubbernecking.
I believe imaginality (jjh, T3, Dragons) and Andres (Prism, Ydrasse, Shirou) are tied at 3 each. Neither are voting each other yet, ie. are in prime blitz position. I'm going to pretend jjh's vote is final even though he's blatantly rubbernecking. gob is most likely to revote imaginality at the end of the day. Firebringer hasn't been willing to vote Andres all day, so this looks like imaginality is going down at the end of the day unless I want to harass the table. I don't.
The Deathtunnel Archon Shirou without any of his aggro or hyperposting powers.