Mini Theme 2318: Cook's Kitchen Sink [Game Over]

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Vanderscamp
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Celebloki
VOTE: Elements
VOTE: KittyTacky
VOTE: Naerys
VOTE: Random Nurse
VOTE: Whemestar
VOTE: Doctor Drew
VOTE: Roden
VOTE: looker
VOTE: ActionDan
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

By voting everyone before they vote me, I am immune to any and all accusations of OMGUS!

VOTE: Gamma

I for one will only OMGUS vote people this game

[Doctor Drew]

I was considering OMGUSing Gamma as well, but I'm also still ruffled by FL.

Don't worry, I hacked Cook so I know who is town this game.

*don't tell her though.....shhhh*

[Doctor Drew]

*reading Cook's files*

Damn, I was right......Gamma isn't town.

They don't teach this kinda skill in Mafia College.

[Doctor Drew]

What if I am already having fun?

Means you are 3p

[Doctor Drew]

Let’s vote cook

See you in 36 hours

Cook is Jester, bad play my man.

[Doctor Drew]

I’m town by the way, so I’m legit gonna troll all game

I will check the files Cook has on you.

But ya, I will have the shit posting on lock as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Let’s vote cook

See you in 36 hours

Cook is Jester, bad play my man.

All i saw is that counts as game progressing content

Yet we get to see you so soon before that!

Not that I am complaining

Pre Edit: I already have the game figured out, gotta crumb.........little by little.

[Doctor Drew]

Scum didn't figure out the obvious crumbs last game, so gotta give them a fighting chance here

[Doctor Drew]

Now shush we the same role

I will shush, but....nah

Scum didn't figure out the obvious crumbs last game, so gotta give them a fighting chance here

I was so right about there being something off with both the claim, and the fact of why would you need to be informed of a traitor as a traitor finder

Why oh why Geraint did you hold that you were also informed

You know how much agony I would have been saved.

And he was a Miller, I even jokingly said he was in our Hood and he didn't confirm it.

He made me think you were the traitor lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Inb4 Scum Gamma used me being on the bottom of the playerlist to warrant the RVS vote

I already am OMGUS voting her.

Can it be that easy?

[Doctor Drew]

That Roden read could be one of the worst reads I've ever seen

Thank you

Idk what else to say about it, unlike Gamma's that read seems actively scummy since I have no idea how anyone could come to that conclusion.
Why is posting a meta vote and then bailing towny?
I would think it should be the reverse unless there's some specific meta.

I agree with you that it is a head scratching take from Elements, but why would it be scummy as well?

And don't worry Elements, I will justify my placement way down on your reads list lickity split.

[Doctor Drew]

Actually, this. I'm an alcoholic.

That was fast

VOTE: Celebloki

It was supposed to! Fixing.

Apparently FL still doesn't exist as a voter, or in this case a not voter.

Maybe FL can't vote

Put someone to E-1 and let’s find out

This is like the opposite of Mafia Has A Cop.

Who do want at E-1?

[Doctor Drew]

All these ancient join dates. What kind of geriatric game is this. The more the merrier.

I'm the only relative noob here.

To make it worse, my original account was from 2011.

[Doctor Drew]

All these ancient join dates. What kind of geriatric game is this. The more the merrier.

I'm the only relative noob here.

To make it worse, my original account was from 2011.

You know, this makes sense. I could have sworn I played with you in the past, as in like a decade ago, but your join date didn't jive with that. Maybe we did. I'm not gonna go back and look though cause I'm lazy.

Well I had a different username, so you are a stalker if you know what it was haha.

VOTE: Wheme

I need some town cred here.

[Doctor Drew]

All these ancient join dates. What kind of geriatric game is this. The more the merrier.

I'm the only relative noob here.

To make it worse, my original account was from 2011.

You know, this makes sense. I could have sworn I played with you in the past, as in like a decade ago, but your join date didn't jive with that. Maybe we did. I'm not gonna go back and look though cause I'm lazy.

Well I had a different username, so you are a stalker if you know what it was haha.

There's just something about the Doctor Drew avatar picture that really pings my memory.

Only used this avatar on this account.

Who do you think is looking for town cred? I'll vote them.

Ooh me pick me

...

VOTE: Wheme

I need some town cred here.

I assume this is why he voted Wheme.

I literally said as much

Say less

VOTE: Drew

Thank you for this.

This is part of the interaction where I ask if this is shit posting, or serious by you Roden(and by proxy Cele)

I need to calibrate my mindset accordingly.

[Doctor Drew]

I think you may have been honest and voted your scum buddy for town cred

The second part of what you say here, ya I am definitely not opposed to bussing as scum.

The first part though?

Would I say the quiet part out loud like that?

Especially after, I believe it was Elements, made a 'joke' about how people should vote Wheme for town cred.

I mean, I love love open wolfing when I can as scum, but this would just be dumb by scumDrew.

And I can't believe you are being legit here.

[Doctor Drew]

I think it was actually Roden who gave Elements town cred for voting Wheme. So, apparently it's Roden whose handing out the town cred.

This is a all a twisted circle of lies and deception.

I love it.

[Doctor Drew]

Damn i was gonna hammer at e-1

Like I told you and Dan in our PT, I was hoping to be there by now.

[Doctor Drew]

I certainly hope I gained some town cred, I want a good solid town blocc.

So far I just got Gamma, but Dan is looking towny here.

[Doctor Drew]

I had a bad feeling about that wagon.

Will re-skim and update my list in a bit.

Likely more than 1 scum on that wagon actually.

Have an opinion on who? Or just speculation

[Doctor Drew]

Actually day 1 was too long. Can't believe y'all took so long to get a consensus. Hopefully we can pick up the pace

VOTE: gamma

I hope this isn't a real vote.

No town blocc for you.

Pre Edit: I am kinda with you there Roden

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Kitty

I’m actually this confident.

So you can only bookend your vote?

VOTE: Kitty

[Doctor Drew]

man you guys are not subtle at all aren't ya

I don't hate it

VOTE: kitty

So the Gamma vote wasn't serious?

[Doctor Drew]

Why is a soul read so bad?

[Doctor Drew]

I had a bad feeling about that wagon.

Will re-skim and update my list in a bit.

Likely more than 1 scum on that wagon actually.

Like, does seem like someone with a town mindset makes this post?

This is what I, and I assume Roden, were talking about with a soul read.

Also claiming VT before E-1 seems a bit odd for town to do imo.

[Doctor Drew]

Why is a soul read so bad?

My problem is it’s Roden’s soul read and I don’t trust him.

I can understand that......I was referring more to my soul read on Kitty though(though now that I type these words, it really is more of an actual read then soul read for me).

How well do you trust me here?

[Doctor Drew]

I think I can afford you a little trust. As a treat.

I like treats.

[Doctor Drew]

I think I can afford you a little trust. As a treat.

I like treats.

Also since I do trust your reads are pure.

I will sheep you on Roden

VOTE: Roden

[Doctor Drew]

I can see the world where they are scum, but I’m not feeling it.

I agree with your solve so far, but....

Why like Roden?

[Doctor Drew]

FL feels very different to 245

When does Flavor seem similar from game to game?

[Doctor Drew]

FL feels very different to 245

I agree but he’s also kinda failing the vibe check

I like giving Flavor a long leash since I feel the towniness(if there) will shine through at some point.

But ya, I am kinda with you here Gamma.

[Doctor Drew]

Naerys i think is town who wants me to be scum, and is trying to find something

But alas, i am town taking it easy this game.

I also shoot out honey everywhere.

Like this Naerys read screams guilty conscience. Hid objective is to pre-emptively neutralize a scum read he expects to occur by suggesting Naerys is fishing for reasons.

You wanna vote Flavor with me?

[Doctor Drew]

I kinda do but I feel like I also saw vaguely similar stuff in Mafia Have A Cop

FL feels very different to 245

When does Flavor seem similar from game to game?

Can I answer?

When I want you to think I seem similar.

[Doctor Drew]

FL feels very different to 245

I agree but he’s also kinda failing the vibe check

I like giving Flavor a long leash since I feel the towniness(if there) will shine through at some point.

But ya, I am kinda with you here Gamma.

Really?

I feel like he's the most towny person in the game.

[Doctor Drew]

ive also been keeping a notes PT this game to go with my would be low energy, and my thought processes behind doing certain things, but low energy doesnt look like the right play.

I was going to fake a town read on Drew in a little bit, then target them tonight, but dont wanna do that anymore.


You wanna know something else. I had a troll low energy day in Demon Slayer, and Day 2, guess who ended up pushing me. ScumDrew.

I literally pushed you because of the play Ali was gonna make(or already did? I don't remember the timing)

I basically was just trying to do what I can to make you look bad there.

I also pushed you in the mini that ended with you me and python, where we were both town(me and you I mean).

I also questioned you in Mafia had a cop with your Miller claim.

You out yourself as town when you are town, I just haven't seen it here yet.

Pre Edit: What's wrong with that post?

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like Drew smelled my suspicion of him even though i was keeping it quiet.

If I were scum I would pocket you without you knowing it and let you lead me to the mislim.

Pre Edit: Gamma is the only person I will trust here and will sheep them on their reads.

That's why I wanted their opinion on you when they voiced some similar feelings I had about you.

Pre Edit2: Yes, I have been focusing on Gamma's reads and following her, re: my above Edit

Do you think Gamma is scum?

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like Drew smelled my suspicion of him even though i was keeping it quiet.

If I were scum I would pocket you without you knowing it and let you lead me to the mislim.

Pre Edit: Gamma is the only person I will trust here and will sheep them on their reads.

That's why I wanted their opinion on you when they voiced some similar feelings I had about you.

Pre Edit2: Yes, I have been focusing on Gamma's reads and following her, re: my above Edit

Do you think Gamma is scum?

Why are you sheeping Gamma?

Do you think I would be so blatant as scum?

[Doctor Drew]

the fact im using bad logic and reasoning instead of good logic for a lot of my earlier reads is not scumFlavor. lol

you saying i aint shown townie is cap

I never said that

I said you show townie eventually, just haven't seen it yet.

Maybe you think you have, and maybe you actually have, but I haven't seen what I eventually do see yet.

[Doctor Drew]

the fact im using bad logic and reasoning instead of good logic for a lot of my earlier reads is not scumFlavor. lol

you saying i aint shown townie is cap

I never said that

I said you show townie eventually, just haven't seen it yet.

Maybe you think you have, and maybe you actually have, but I haven't seen what I eventually do see yet.

i think whatever tell you got back then isn't actually a townie tell and is just something i happened to do as town once or twice.

cuz you've said that line before when I was town.

I have, at the very least, said to Alianna in our hydra chat that sorting you on D1 is a fools game since you will show your town self if you are town(then called you town right after that lol).

Also I definitely said that you aren't that hard to read and you will expose yourself as town in previous games.

[Doctor Drew]

the fact im using bad logic and reasoning instead of good logic for a lot of my earlier reads is not scumFlavor. lol

you saying i aint shown townie is cap

I never said that

I said you show townie eventually, just haven't seen it yet.

Maybe you think you have, and maybe you actually have, but I haven't seen what I eventually do see yet.

i think whatever tell you got back then isn't actually a townie tell and is just something i happened to do as town once or twice.

cuz you've said that line before when I was town.

I have, at the very least, said to Alianna in our hydra chat that sorting you on D1 is a fools game since you will show your town self if you are town(then called you town right after that lol).

Also I definitely said that you aren't that hard to read and you will expose yourself as town in previous games.

Obviously in regards to Alianna and our hydra, was not this game. Was Blood over Utopia.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Drew
I think Naerys is kinda cooking here

I trust you, but I don't think you understand why I trust you.

[Doctor Drew]

It may well be 12 hours before I can examine recent developments

Do yessiree, Roden, KittyTacky, and Doctor Drew seem town to you

Why are you quoting an old post from Dan?

And why are you asking him specifically about reads on me and the others?

[Doctor Drew]

It may well be 12 hours before I can examine recent developments

Do yessiree, Roden, KittyTacky, and Doctor Drew seem town to you

Why are you quoting an old post from Dan?

And why are you asking him specifically about reads on me and the others?

Did I miss an ongoing wagon?

Or a non-V/LA non-voter for that matter

I will give you a do over where you actually attempted to answer my questions.

[Doctor Drew]

Roden/Drew contains atleast 1 scum i believe. Their position on both wheme and kitty wagon was pretty bad.

Also Celebloki tries to fly under the radar. IK he is VLA now, but he was low presence even before that. Solid suspect as scum.

Is flying under the radar something you see scum do a lot?

[Doctor Drew]

FL feels very different to 245

sorry i can't do divination and know what this means, can you explain?

in 245 FL was contorlling the narrative with large posts of 'analysis' to manipulate the gamestate
here FL is saying things and people are going "yea sure, sounds good"

is this more about FL? or the people sheeping FL? i can't tell

I feel worse about the people explaining away Flavors posts then about Flavor himself.

I am leaning townFlavor here but I think scum might be using him?

This Elements post just seems off in a way.

[Doctor Drew]

i think scum deffo is using him if he's town here since he's always so loud, but it's little hard to tell who exactly when everyone seems to do it without a second thought this game

Gamma, I think Yess might need to be in our town blocc.

I am feeling good for Yess as town.

[Doctor Drew]

I don’t even remember saying KittyMo so i don’t know how it showed up.


But im definitely talking about KittyTacky.

I forgot about KittyMo until now tbh

i think you may have schizo LOL (cap)

Maybe don't say things like this, please

That being said, I do agree with this.

Jokes are fun, but think about what you are going to post before you post it.

[Doctor Drew]

i think scum deffo is using him if he's town here since he's always so loud, but it's little hard to tell who exactly when everyone seems to do it without a second thought this game

Gamma, I think Yess might need to be in our town blocc.

I am feeling good for Yess as town.

not sure if i wanna join ur town blocc when there is a civil war going on

i do townlean you atm but i need to see a drew post from you before to really solidify that

Dude, I have been Drewing it up all game.

Pre Edit: Vander, effort levels 'can' be AI......but is so unreliable and very dependent on the particular player.

[Doctor Drew]

Scum kinda have to try and use me nowadays because I'm good at rallying and creating momentum, so they have to like guide it.

They have to do that with everyone, of course, but im a constant spinning plate that sometimes gets off balanced, and scum have to keep it spinning and stable.

Didn't want to quotes the big post, but I definitely am not trying to tear down town reads on you. I believe you are town and scum might be using you to push a mislim. Like they are really trying to make it known to everyone that you are town and your reads should be trusted. I am getting ahead of myself without a flipped scum, but reading elements post the thought popped in my head.

i think scum deffo is using him if he's town here since he's always so loud, but it's little hard to tell who exactly when everyone seems to do it without a second thought this game

Gamma, I think Yess might need to be in our town blocc.

I am feeling good for Yess as town.

Who else is in it atp

Just you and me for now.

[Doctor Drew]

Scum kinda have to try and use me nowadays because I'm good at rallying and creating momentum, so they have to like guide it.

They have to do that with everyone, of course, but im a constant spinning plate that sometimes gets off balanced, and scum have to keep it spinning and stable.

Didn't want to quotes the big post, but I definitely am not trying to tear down town reads on you. I believe you are town and scum might be using you to push a mislim. Like they are really trying to make it known to everyone that you are town and your reads should be trusted. I am getting ahead of myself without a flipped scum, but reading elements post the thought popped in my head.

i think scum deffo is using him if he's town here since he's always so loud, but it's little hard to tell who exactly when everyone seems to do it without a second thought this game

Gamma, I think Yess might need to be in our town blocc.

I am feeling good for Yess as town.

Who else is in it atp

Just you and me for now.

I don’t really vibe w this town block plan
It feels a bit underbaked, and something tells me it’s a bit of an imitation too

I shouldn't have called me and you a town blocc, that was me just having some fun.

But I don't think you have been picking up what I have been putting down.

[Doctor Drew]

Hello, I'm kinda back, will still be sparsely available until after Thursday probably.

I think I believe the Elements claim for now. There must be another inventor if what Roden claims is true because Elements wouldn't have been able to make something N1 if I understand the modifiers right.

I think in 224 Roden was asking if Elements was able to do an invention, what could they invent.

Yep, I wanted to see if the options Elements had would follow a similar theme to what I received.

I kinda like this response by Roden here.

And kinda don't like Cele too much.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, a seagull flying into the water catching a fish has been picking up what you’ve been attempting to put down.

I was trying not to be too obvious, but running out of ways to be vague lol.

[Doctor Drew]

All town blocc jokes aside, I do like a gamm/Flavor/Drew Blocc

Maybe with Dan as well.

[Doctor Drew]

I trust elements over all yall rn

Now that is a hot take.

Leaf starting to bring the beef.

[Doctor Drew]

Y'all just gonna follow FL off of a cliff

I don't agree with him about you, but I believe he is town.

His read on you is part of why I think scum is ok with him pushing you though, or more specifically scum are really pushing Flavor as town.

[Doctor Drew]

Y'all just gonna follow FL off of a cliff

I don't agree with him about you, but I believe he is town.

His read on you is part of why I think scum is ok with him pushing you though, or more specifically scum are really pushing Flavor as town.

i think im townleaning Roden. i take it you too?

would be nice to see an updated VC but i think we're the only leading wagons atm

so yeah i agree scum is content with the gamestate, which also explains why i feel like it's been stagnating

I still am voting Roden, but not loving my vote too much anymore.

And ya, would love a VC

[Doctor Drew]

VC 2.03

yessiree (4):

Roden, KittyTacky, Flavor Leaf, Elements

Roden (3):

Doctor Drew, Looker, Vanderscamp

KittyTacky (1):

yessiree

Doctor Drew (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (3):

Celebloki, ActionDan, Gamma Emerald

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate someone.
There are (expired on 2023-11-24 13:03:03) left in the deadline.

As always, if my votecounts are off, let me know. I will fix them!

i believe only thing thats changed is Gamma's vote
1 scum on me, kitty since i dont think its Roden or Elements
1 scum on Roden in {Looker, Vander}
1 scum off both wagons, currently leaning in {Naerys, Celeb}

if there's 2 scums off wagons it's probably ActionDan the deepwolf but I'll also eat my shoe if that's the case

What do you think of Flavor voting you?

[Doctor Drew]

Vander’s argument feels half-baked in a town way

Yeah, I don't think Van is scum. I feel like they reached a conclusion and then worked backwards from there to justify it.

Wouldn't town realize that they are doing that though and maybe back off of it?

I feel like scum is more likely to do what you are describing.

[Doctor Drew]

Well fuck me sideways I guess lol.

I think I do understand the argument for TownVander a bit more though at the very least.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew you really feel like scum here lol

i wanna town read you, but not gonna lie, it really feels like it this game

Lol, I wish I was, been riding a town streak here a bit too much as of late.

And I wouldn't have folded that easily there as scum in regards to Vander. Obviously would matter what Vanders alignment is and what everyone else's alignment in this interaction is.

But I guess you gotta just deal with that wifom.

[Doctor Drew]

Where's yessiree? Oddly calm for e-2.

I think it's an act. I do sense some frantic energy behind their bing chillin posts.

They may be calm, but they don't seem as they are as scum.

The energy you feel is a town tell.

[Doctor Drew]

Vander’s argument feels half-baked in a town way

Yeah, I don't think Van is scum. I feel like they reached a conclusion and then worked backwards from there to justify it.

Wouldn't town realize that they are doing that though and maybe back off of it?

I feel like scum is more likely to do what you are describing.

I don't think that's what I'm doing.

I don't think my read is nonsensical and it's super weird how Roden is responding to it.

Instead of analyzing what Roden is saying here, can you talk about my read on him and what you think of it?

Did you think kitty's two posts were overly towny?
If not, do you think Roden's read that it was towny makes sense?

I do think your explanation was a bit unnecessarily confusing.

I could see Kitty's posts going either way tbh, I wouldn't defend them hardcore or go after them hardcore because of it.

I will have to look back at the specifics of your read on Roden though.

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah.

Yessiree/Looker has a scum in them, maybe 2. then there's a hider somewhere. Not feeling like scum is driving this game, and theyre hoping i end on a townie today.

There could be a driver somewhere, though, just cant tell where quite yet.

My man, I have been saying that scum is hoping you will drive the train.

Partially why I do not believe it is Yess.

[Doctor Drew]

If it's possible to get an extension since so many people are gonna be VLA for the holidays, I would definitely appreciate it

It is unfortunate timing with the holiday here in the US.

[Doctor Drew]

If it's possible to get an extension since so many people are gonna be VLA for the holidays, I would definitely appreciate it

It is unfortunate timing with the holiday here in the US.

oh yeah you guys have the weird thanksgiving date

You mean the way Jesus intended it it when he invented America?

[Doctor Drew]

I dislike that claim. But a really stupid fakeclaim to claim

What do you dislike about it then?

[Doctor Drew]

I personally feel like it’s convoluted

I agree, but if Dan doesn't think it is fake, then why dislike it?

[Doctor Drew]

And when I say "isn't doing anything to push him", I know she made anti-Drew posts. But she also isn't interacting with any of the posts that involve Drew. Leaf is openly scrutinizing him, but Naerys hasn't acknowledged that even though she believes Leaf is town. Why not try to convince Leaf to vote with you if you trust him and know he is influential?

Like, I do really like this case you are making here.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Naerys

[Doctor Drew]

Naerys wagon is Kitty and Yessiree wagon minus Myself and Elements (and Yesiree on the Yes wagon specifically)

considering Elements is a stronger town read of mine, and I got a sNaerys didn’t move result, Naerys wagon isn’t looking too good.

Elements seemed ready to jump on the wagon when it was presented.

What do you make of that?

[Doctor Drew]

Hmm, I’ll probably be asleep at deadline. I’m in the same boat that the claim is sort of a weird claim for scum to make, so I’m inclined to believe it came from town.

I feel like it's just a genuine claim as scum.

Role Cop + Neighbor is generally a scum combo. I had Rolecop Neighbor in my last scum game even.

I am starting to see the scum equity in the claim no though, I am with you on that.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: yess

[Doctor Drew]

why didn't you push me harder then?

why should I be forced to claim when I was in no danger of being limmed and the wagon on me never had any leg to stand on to begin with

wasn't interested in pushing you harder. i got more from letting it stew and seeing who made the next move, and onto where.

so you were complacent in letting it stew rather than pushing for clarity

why do you want me to push you harder? you'd have gotten faded.

rarely am i ever in a spot where deadline is here, and im not ready to end day fully, but here we are.

this game will benefit moving to the next day.

Another reason I don't like the claim, is Yessiree doesnt have to give results until a scum goes down, and with a wagon dying on Yess, if Yess is scum, it's not really likely to hit another scum.

i don't think that's the case, you just didn't have any stock to push me with

if you pursued further maybe you've gotten the claim outta me sooner and we all collectively move on to better things

i copped kitty last night btw because i've never seen him tryhard that much, so i thought he got an excited on getting a cool scum role, i got a no result obviously

Why would you even use your ability if you knew it couldn't possibly succeed?

[Doctor Drew]

Something's fishy.

Why do you know that exact line and why did Yessiree attempt to use it still?

I will say that with my role, I can get back a 'no result' message from the mod.

[Doctor Drew]

Also he said his role only worked once there weren’t 3 scum alive. So why would you try or expect anything else?

what would I lose by trying it

But, you tried justifying your night action with what seemed to be a legit reason why you chose Kitty.

If it was for the lulz, why act like it wasn't?

[Doctor Drew]

why i know there are 3 scums?

because it's in the setup you absolute doofs

I don't see anywhere in the OP or the game announcement about how many scum there are......in fact, specifically said it was a closed setup.

[Doctor Drew]

There is only one scumteam, which has 3 members. Consequently, there are 10 townies. No alignment changes are possible.

and the actions regarding the procrastinating modifier can quickly be checked through a 2 minute wiki read

but obviously yall think yourselves so knowledgeable you don't fact check stuff anymore

Oh haha, didn't look at the second post

[Doctor Drew]

You shouldn’t have been allowed to act at all

No that isn't how it works.

[Doctor Drew]

Is it misguided to think there has to be a scum in a neighborhood, or are all town neighborhoods a thing and just as likely? My only exposure to one was a 4 person neighborhood with 1 and a traitor.

Anything is possible. I've seen pure hoods, but I've also seen a two person hood where both were scum. It's best not to make assumptions, because the mod and reviewers already know town expectations about the likelihood of scum in hoods.

No way you have seen a two person scum hood.

[Doctor Drew]

Is it misguided to think there has to be a scum in a neighborhood, or are all town neighborhoods a thing and just as likely? My only exposure to one was a 4 person neighborhood with 1 and a traitor.

Anything is possible. I've seen pure hoods, but I've also seen a two person hood where both were scum. It's best not to make assumptions, because the mod and reviewers already know town expectations about the likelihood of scum in hoods.

No way you have seen a two person scum hood.

The game:
viewtopic.php?t=89094

The hood: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=89099

That is a traitor.

No way a hood is all group scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Is it misguided to think there has to be a scum in a neighborhood, or are all town neighborhoods a thing and just as likely? My only exposure to one was a 4 person neighborhood with 1 and a traitor.

Anything is possible. I've seen pure hoods, but I've also seen a two person hood where both were scum. It's best not to make assumptions, because the mod and reviewers already know town expectations about the likelihood of scum in hoods.

No way you have seen a two person scum hood.

The game:
viewtopic.php?t=89094

The hood: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=89099

That is a traitor.

No way a hood is all group scum.

Nope, there weren't any Traitors. It was also a 12p setup, it was kinda wild. I played poorly in that game though.

I read the first post where someone said they were a traitor.

But, that is a crazy exception.

[Doctor Drew]

You shouldn’t have been allowed to act at all

No that isn't how it works.

Bruh what? We’re on the same side? Procrastinating roles being able to act freely like yess claims he did only would be the case in a game where faction size isn’t known. The mutated role also adds a wrinkle of not needing to worry about knowing or not knowing the scumteam size. So I see absolutely zero reason why yess should’ve been given a “no result” vs. just not getting any form of result PM.

The wiki doesn't say that.

You need glasses, sir. Because while it doesn’t explicitly say that, it in essence says that. The entire reason Procrastinating can act at all times in some games is that in those games the scumteam size isn’t known. It’s known here, so that caveat is unnecessary.

Gamma, it literally says if they try to act they would get a no result PM

[Doctor Drew]

You shouldn’t have been allowed to act at all

No that isn't how it works.

Bruh what? We’re on the same side? Procrastinating roles being able to act freely like yess claims he did only would be the case in a game where faction size isn’t known. The mutated role also adds a wrinkle of not needing to worry about knowing or not knowing the scumteam size. So I see absolutely zero reason why yess should’ve been given a “no result” vs. just not getting any form of result PM.

The wiki doesn't say that.

You need glasses, sir. Because while it doesn’t explicitly say that, it in essence says that. The entire reason Procrastinating can act at all times in some games is that in those games the scumteam size isn’t known. It’s known here, so that caveat is unnecessary.

Gamma, it literally says if they try to act they would get a no result PM

IN A GAME WITH UNKNOWN SCUMTEAM SIZE!

Hmmm, didn't read it as such, but reading it again I understand I misread it before.

Roden, according to the wiki Procrastination can't work with a know scum size, like Yess couldn't even use his role last Night.

[Doctor Drew]

Taken from the wiki:

'

A Procrastinating role does not function if there are more than one non-town players alive

. This is usually intended for games with known faction sizes. In a game with unknown faction sizes, a Procrastinating player may attempt to act, but their action will fail if more than one non-town players were alive at the start of that phase. (The player still gets a no result PM if they attempted to use an investigative action, as usual for failing investigative actions.)'

[Doctor Drew]

Taken from the wiki:

'

A Procrastinating role does not function if there are more than one non-town players alive

. This is usually intended for games with known faction sizes. In a game with unknown faction sizes, a Procrastinating player may attempt to act, but their action will fail if more than one non-town players were alive at the start of that phase. (The player still gets a no result PM if they attempted to use an investigative action, as usual for failing investigative actions.)'

"does not function" =/= "cannot act"

Wording matters.

Exactly,they can't even attempt to use their role unless it is an unknown number of scum.

Basically, their role is disabled.....ie, they couldn't have used their role they claimed last night.

[Doctor Drew]

Taken from the wiki:

'

A Procrastinating role does not function if there are more than one non-town players alive

. This is usually intended for games with known faction sizes. In a game with unknown faction sizes, a Procrastinating player may attempt to act, but their action will fail if more than one non-town players were alive at the start of that phase. (The player still gets a no result PM if they attempted to use an investigative action, as usual for failing investigative actions.)'

"does not function" =/= "cannot act"

Wording matters.

Exactly,they can't even attempt to use their role unless it is an unknown number of scum.

Basically, their role is disabled.....ie, they couldn't have used their role they claimed last night.

It literally specifies that one can only attempt to use it if it is an unknown how many scum there are.

[Doctor Drew]

Taken from the wiki:

'

A Procrastinating role does not function if there are more than one non-town players alive

. This is usually intended for games with known faction sizes. In a game with unknown faction sizes, a Procrastinating player may attempt to act, but their action will fail if more than one non-town players were alive at the start of that phase. (The player still gets a no result PM if they attempted to use an investigative action, as usual for failing investigative actions.)'

"does not function" =/= "cannot act"

Wording matters.

Exactly,they can't even attempt to use their role unless it is an unknown number of scum.

Basically, their role is disabled.....ie, they couldn't have used their role they claimed last night.

It literally specifies that one can only attempt to use it if it is an unknown how many scum there are.

(The player still gets a no result PM if they attempted to use an

investigative

action, as usual for failing

investigative

actions.)

This is a serious question not meant to be insulting in any way.

But is English your first language?

[Doctor Drew]

Is it yours??

It specifically says they cannot use the role if it is known how many scum their are, and they are all alive. Basically as if they don't have the role yet.

Full stop.

They can only try to use it if it is unknown how many scum the game starts with......only in this case would they get a no result pm.

So.....keep trying to defend it I guess?

Pre Edit: Gamma literally is town lol

[Doctor Drew]

Is it yours??

It specifically says they cannot use the role if it is known how many scum their are, and they are all alive. Basically as if they don't have the role yet.

Full stop.

They can only try to use it if it is unknown how many scum the game starts with......only in this case would they get a no result pm.

So.....keep trying to defend it I guess?

Pre Edit: Gamma literally is town lol

Is Rolecop investigative?

It doesn't matter, an investigave procrastinating role can only be attempted and get a no result pm only if the number of scum is unknown.

It literally says the procrastinating role doesn't function at all if it is known how many scum there are and they are all still alive.

How are you willfully ignoring that part???

[Doctor Drew]

@Gamma you missed this also!

why would the cop get a "no result" pm? if he got roleblocked his action should fail

Something's fishy.

Why do you know that exact line and why did Yessiree attempt to use it still?

I will say that with my role, I can get back a 'no result' message from the mod.

Who said I was a cop?

[Doctor Drew]

That explains the lack of kill at least

What does?

[Doctor Drew]

That explains the lack of kill at least

What does?

Oh nvm I am dumb, read yess's role again lol.

Also, Roden is scum

VOTE: Roden

[Doctor Drew]

And since I can't use it anymore might as well full claim.

I am Town 1-Success Disloyal Checker

Every night I check someone, if they are town my action will fail with a no result PM from the mod(N1 on Gamma, obviously......hence all the town blocc stuff)

N2 I checked Roden, it succeeded.......ergo, Roden is scum.....dirty dirty Alien scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Roden is not scum imo

Respectfully, your opinion doesn't matter.

Roden is scum, flip me if you need to see it as fact.

[Doctor Drew]

So going forward, no more ability.

But yeah, I’m holding my result for a minute.

No more ability, basically vanilla at this point

[Doctor Drew]

Roden is not scum imo

Respectfully, your opinion doesn't matter.

Roden is scum, flip me if you need to see it as fact.

Yeah, your claim is bad if scum, cuz you just die after, so I’m kinda on board.

I have a guilty as well.

Well then we are, ahem, Cooking on all cylinders(shout out mod)

[Doctor Drew]

But Drew is town.

If roden is town there has to be a confluence of unlikely things at this point. It would require alien roles / tech to negate Drew's result

Oh God I hate this wifom post lol

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah, that tracks heavily with the way and the why Roden defended Yessiree imo.

How so?

[Doctor Drew]

I'm Vulnerable, all actions auto succeed on me. That's the invention I received N1.

Wouldn't this be like a Miller situation where you should have claimed this on D2?

[Doctor Drew]

Ya I get it now

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE:

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah, that tracks heavily with the way and the why Roden defended Yessiree imo.

How so?

Procrastinating would succeed on me no matter what, so it would at least confirm that Yess was a Rolecop.

I'm Vulnerable, all actions auto succeed on me. That's the invention I received N1.

Wouldn't this be like a Miller situation where you should have claimed this on D2?

Because I can't be protected from kills, and if it didn't come from scum then they would learn I can be killed through protection. On the flip side, no one who investigates me can be blocked. I also wanted to test the Rolecop claim.

Every role except yours would mean a successful check was a good thing, I don't think I could have predicted your particular role.

Checking my role PM again for specific wording.

It says it would fail on town aligned players, full stop

Lol, this is another check the wiki situation.

[Doctor Drew]

I will not claim until I am popcorned, I have principles

I popcorn to Dan

[Doctor Drew]

I hope Roden really is telling the truth, because in hindsight I wish I held onto my 'guilty' a bit longer.

[Doctor Drew]

The way that Drew defended Yessiree and also the way that Drew tried to start a wagon on me also feels incredibly scum indicative.

Also, as a 1-shot Success Disloyal Checker, why would you target your main scum read over continuously getting multiple inno’s lined up.

I think Roden check doesn’t make sense from a town POV. That being said, I think this reason is one of the weaker ones, and there are reasonings you can make of why townies would.

But the previous reasons are far stronger.

You keep saying that I tried to start a wagon on you while I kept calling you town.

And I checked Gamma because of their position on the D1 Mislim, and I checked Roden because I figured they would be a major point of contention after how Yess's Lim went down.

[Doctor Drew]

Look back at Drew’s Day 2. He was helping Yessiree. He was even saying that the town block should be Gamma/Yessiree/Drew at one point before backing off of it to just Gamma/Drew.

Like I trust Drew on tone, so maybe that’s something. I just feel there’s a lot of reasons that line up to them being scum.

But I’ve been in that scenario with Town Drew before, so maybe

I legit was thinking it was townYess on tone, and I was gauging Gamma(who I know is town) what they felt.

I will say, it definitely is a Drew style fake claim though lol.

[Doctor Drew]

You’re not holding anything else back, are ya Drew?

Nope, scout's honor.

[Doctor Drew]

Well I did once steal a Pokemon card from toys r us when I worked there way back in the day.

But that's it.

Feels so good to get it off my chest.

[Doctor Drew]

Are we still waiting on Vander?

[Doctor Drew]

My guilty is on Elements. I’m just a Reporter, targeted them last night, and they used an action.

It's not a guitly
I'm a Night-1 Informed Novice JOAT
My abilitites are the abilities I claimed as my inventions
I was informed night 1 that the scum team have a vannilaiser which is why I claimed vannaillaised
I rolestopped Naerys last night

Funny how that seems eerily similar to my role in Mafia had a Cop lol

[Doctor Drew]

My guilty is on Elements. I’m just a Reporter, targeted them last night, and they used an action.

It's not a guitly
I'm a Night-1 Informed Novice JOAT
My abilitites are the abilities I claimed as my inventions
I was informed night 1 that the scum team have a vannilaiser which is why I claimed vannaillaised
I rolestopped Naerys last night

Funny how that seems eerily similar to my role in Mafia had a Cop lol

what was your role in that?

Town Informed Neighbor JOAT

[Doctor Drew]

My guilty is on Elements. I’m just a Reporter, targeted them last night, and they used an action.

It's not a guitly
I'm a Night-1 Informed Novice JOAT
My abilitites are the abilities I claimed as my inventions
I was informed night 1 that the scum team have a vannilaiser which is why I claimed vannaillaised
I rolestopped Naerys last night

Funny how that seems eerily similar to my role in Mafia had a Cop lol

what was your role in that?

Town Informed Neighbor JOAT

But I just chuckled seeing it, was kinda thinking Flavor would notice it as well.

[Doctor Drew]

I’m leaning it as a lie.

Why would Elements claim to be Vanillaised as town informed of scum having vanillaizer? Scum would have known they didn’t Vanillaize elements.

Maybe Mafia has a cop is just in my head.

But could this be a traitor situation?

[Doctor Drew]

I assumed FL was dying but Kitty was obvious town so shrug. @Gamma any knowledge about this?

What knowledge would Gamma have about that?

[Doctor Drew]

I have already explained why I targeted Gamma and Roden. Flavor, why would I set up Roden? They had a lot of heat after the Yess lim, wouldn't I let them stew in the heat that they had while I set up someone else? I targeted them because I didn't want the day to be about if Roden is town or scum, I wanted definitive proof of one of the other, which I thought I had gotten.

Also, I have seen Yess as scum once before this game and town a few times. Their scum game was much different tonally speaking imo to what I was seeing here, so ya I was hard town reading them until I saw that their claim really didn't make sense. Also, I 100% would not hard town read a buddy like that, that isn't how I play as scum. If anything I would err on the opposite side and try to make it difficult to make an associative with us. You are over complicating things here, I don't protect my buddies that hardcore, especially in this scenario where we are all still alive, full stop.

Also, saying I have pushed you as scum or tried to get Gamma to push you us just objectively incorrect. You keep saying this even after I keep saying I think you are town. Which is boggling my mind because it is like you have decided I am scum and are trying to keep pushing false narratives and flat out lies to make sure others agree with you.

But like I said, I still think you are town, make this make sense to me!

[Doctor Drew]

Also, speaking of Elements, I literally said they were using you to push mis lims.

I wish I pushed that harder in retrospec

[Doctor Drew]

I don't think I agree with that. I'd go Naerys over Drew.

I will admit to not having having many solid reads besides Flavor for town.

I will never fully believe Roden until I am proven wrong(which I was thinking about about I made my above post, still not buying but there really isn't anyway of proving it besides flipping him, which I don't think any others are in agreement with.

[Doctor Drew]

Scum weren’t using me to push Mislims

I was on Yessiree the whole day basically besides Kitty.

They were trying to survive

Well I didn't say they were successful lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Roden on Day 2 did hint at having something that could get results on them even if they normally couldn’t, so i kinda believe it.

If they were scum, they were already ready to claim that role.

Their defense of Yessiree almost feels too much for me to think it’s scum.

That's kinda where I am at with Roden.

And my 1208 was spiced with frustration since I didn't know how to explain my actions and reads more clearly.

I will go with you here

VOTE: Naerys

[Doctor Drew]

What do you think about Vander, flavor?

That they’re probably correct with Roden.

VOTE: Roden

If it is Roden, I expect a extra gold star from you Flavored lol.

[Doctor Drew]

i town read roden everytime they talk.

I think it's Drew again

Oh ffs, just Lim me at this point, I can't repeatedly argue my points on deaf ears anymore.

I think Drew is efforting too much to be scum. Like he knows he can't escape the PoE, his elim is inevitable if he's scum, so typing up walls to argue with you Leaf is pointless.

!!!!!!!!!

[Doctor Drew]

I am this close to voting Flavor just on principle here

[Doctor Drew]

I will admit to not having having many solid reads besides Flavor for town.

Like this was 2 pages ago, and they wanted to 'vote on principle'

yeah right

Notice how I didn't say vote for you because I think you are scum?

I haven't been scum hunting, I wanted to have a town blocc with my ability, but then switched course since I thought I could definitely solve Roden........and of course that back fired. So ya, I am a bit lost since then.

I am frustrated since, and forget any other reason you think I may be scum since objectively I could see someone thinking I could be scum because of(my role and how I used it, my read on Yess, even mentioning Elements and you).....but how you kept bringing up me wanting to lim you when that is completely false.......honestly made me think that this is super deep wolf Flavor, which logically speaking is near impossible(and if is true, then I would be the first to say GG lol).

Because of this I feel like fuck it, vote me off.......since I honestly believe we are on the path the victory anyways and I am being a dumb distraction to you right now.

At the very least, I need to step away from this game for a bit.

[Doctor Drew]

Ahh, I wanted to take some time away from this game, not this long though lol.

Should I just hammer Looker?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Looker

[Doctor Drew]

Yay GG!

The Drew/Flavor paranoia wins again!

[Doctor Drew]

Yay GG!

The Drew/Flavor paranoia wins again!

Why do you keep getting the most Drew scum gambit roles

Ha, I actually thought that when I got my role PM this game.

I’m actually astonished how my Yessiree/Looker soul reads turned out to be true, and how i chose to try and guilty my top town read

@Drew - you have to admit, your associations are scummy, lol.

Dan’s the only reason I kept considering Drew as town other than Mech reasons.

Lol, I definitely can objectively see that. Yess had me fooled until he didn't

[Doctor Drew]

incidentally due to how i counted the votes this time i can provide stats on them

There were 73 votes this game. 31.5% of them were on Aliens.

Here is a pie chart of everyone who cast votes. Below it is a pie chart of where those votes went.



Gamma Emerald, Doctor Drew, Roden, and Flavor Leaf together cast 52% of the votes this game.
Pages 1, 7, and 10 are tied for having the most votes on them, with 6 apiece.

See? My trown blocc worked out perfectly lol.

(Was my goal from the start, Roden had to muck things up with his role though heh)

Pre Edit: A real Hell's Angels if you will