Open 891: STDBINSBICACOT (Game Over)

[Dannflor]

when I entered the thread a couple days ago with that thought my gut instinct was davesaz

I have not finished reading so idk if i still agree with that but that was my initial thought

[Dannflor]

the roden slot I just don't like how they treated titus and the "omg titus has been obv scum since 24 hours since the game started" still rings as so fake in my mind

[Black]

I think you are just someone I am always worried is deepwolfing me lol

I'm willing to believe you are town here

[Black]

it also had crossed my mind that the Dunn kill maybe implicated you, Black

like I think you're a likely night kill candidate as town and Dunn really isn't, so maybe scum!you wouldn't want to kill me and make yourself stand out more

Do you think Dunn could have gotten killed because of his reads? You and I were pretty wrong with some of our D1 solves. I was tying shaddow and Titus to Crescent and they both flipped town

I think the Dunn kill could implicate Roden

[Black]

I still think dave is probably town

[Black]

Also after looking back, I find it funny that Black is riding Dunn's last minute read on me so hard even though she hard scum read him and kept arguing with him for the entire Day phase.

Like this is so far from the truth and it implies that Roden isn't paying attention to my slot at all. Normally I feel like this type of misrep would more likely come from town but this post comes right after Alisae starts mulling over whether or not I could be scum and it just feels like shade to push that thought forward

[Dannflor]

I think dunn was probably killed for some combination of being a suspect pr and his reads

i would be more inclined to look at his town reads

[Black]

I think Crescent was his main townread but why would scum feel threatened by someone that townreads them? Why do you think he could have been a PR?

[gob]

Waz hannin

[Dannflor]

I think scum generally are more likely to take out people with correct town reads when those correct town reads could be in the lim pool otherwise

I mean you were pushing crescent pretty hard d1 along with others so taking out a defender of that slot if you're scum and crescent is town makes sense

i don't specifically think dunn could've been a PR but I imagine scum could've gotten a read like that on him

[Dannflor]

and like from scum!crescent's POV it doesn't really make sense to kill one of your defenders when you've got a couple loud attackers on you

[Dannflor]

so that makes me inclined to town read Gamma

[gob]

Dannflor
Black (low confidence read)

Alisae (yes I'm grumpy. I detected a slight but noticeable change so maybe it worked)
gob

Roden
Taly (vague memory of being good at rehabilitating a slot, pisskop was trending a bit lower)
Crescent (posting gave me a good impression but a lot of it would be easy to fake. very likely to be replaced)

Psyche
Something_Smart (has mostly escaped my attention, and it's pretty rare to get to middle of d2 and not remember much of what a player has done)

VOTE: Something_Smart

I agree with most of thes, although I wouldn't have Dannflor up there. Maybe you in place of dannflor i guess. I also don't think Roden should be down there.

Dannflor
Black (low confidence read)

Alisae (yes I'm grumpy. I detected a slight but noticeable change so maybe it worked)
gob

Roden
Taly (vague memory of being good at rehabilitating a slot, pisskop was trending a bit lower)
Crescent (posting gave me a good impression but a lot of it would be easy to fake. very likely to be replaced)

Psyche
Something_Smart (has mostly escaped my attention, and it's pretty rare to get to middle of d2 and not remember much of what a player has done)

VOTE: Something_Smart

Why is

Psyche

so low?

? Seems fine to me.

[Black]

I think scum generally are more likely to take out people with correct town reads when those correct town reads could be in the lim pool otherwise

I mean you were pushing crescent pretty hard d1 along with others so taking out a defender of that slot if you're scum and crescent is town makes sense

i don't specifically think dunn could've been a PR but I imagine scum could've gotten a read like that on him

Oh I see, I thought you were saying one of his townreads took him out and you wanted to look there

[Black]

and like from scum!crescent's POV it doesn't really make sense to kill one of your defenders when you've got a couple loud attackers on you

I agree, but if scum thought he could be a PR then that would probably override the "he's defending one of us" mindset

[gob]

It's not really confbiasing really btw. I knew 50/50 between you and Cresecent there is a likely maf. Or potentially Roden is deep, but I think they're towny so far.

I should return to this because there's a bg fallacy in your thinking. You seem to posit that

Crescent/I

must be TvS but you don't seem very critical of that idea. Do you have an actual result that suggests this or is this purely your own subjective thought?

I also don't like that you mention

Roden

is a deepwolf but don't investigate further, that's both low effort and interesting that you're choosing an already wagoned slot as a pivot point.

I'm trying to understand how sincere you actually are with your reads.

Well I am not always sincere with my reads, I'll just say that straight up. However if you think I am town, and you are also town, then it is fine to just believe my reads as if they are real.

I think it's between you and Crecent (Gamma)because every other wagon had people killed on it, indicating it's one of you. Also pisskop and Crescent were also cross-voting, which usually means it's a good flip since it spews the other. Roden actually isn't in the pool though, it's just you and Crescent. viewtopic.php?p=13984456#p13984456

I only mentioned Roden as a deepwolf because I haven't actually read his slot, I've only read the people reading his slot to determine he's town.

[Black]

I mean you were pushing crescent pretty hard d1 along with others so taking out a defender of that slot if you're scum and crescent is town makes sense

Wouldn't it makes sense for me to push Crescent at some point today if I were scum taking out her defenders?

[gob]

VOTE: Dunnstral
I was going to go with random, but I think the confirmation speculation is worth a vote on its own.

Id pick ascetic informed and recruit traitor personally

I'd be torn between the Ascetic and the BP Godfather. Either one is only useful depending on what roles town got.

VOTE: Titus

It's been a minute since I've been in a game with her.

VOTE: dunn

Im actually not super stoked about speccing about the timing of the PM deliveries and the replace outs, being said replace out

One of these should be voted off.

Opening post being a vote + explanation is usually scum. Town doesn't drop an explanation with their vote because why bother?

Pisskop I think may be town, so lets vote between.

davesaz

and

shaddowez

I'll vote Shaddowez cause I've never voted them before in a game.

VOTE: Shaddowez

this feels like bullshit
what's your source on scum giving a reason for RVS votes? I've seen certain players use this to great effect but it's absolutely player-dependent in some regards. Such as: a player noticed scum often gave justifications for piling onto a specific player early on/they often gave the same username-related RVS vote logic.

The source is myself. I was just driving discussion though, nothing too big.

[Black]

I only mentioned Roden as a deepwolf because I haven't actually read his slot, I've only read the people reading his slot to determine he's town.

This doesn't track with your 879 at all

[gob]

Think Dannflor's town but his read on Gamma is wrong.

I only mentioned Roden as a deepwolf because I haven't actually read his slot, I've only read the people reading his slot to determine he's town.

This doesn't track with your 879 at all

We're getting into semantics here. I am basically townreading Roden, but I haven't actually read him. I am townreading him (for now) because the amount of people who have shaded him (and nobody except me coming to his defense) makes me think he is town.

[gob]

I am interested in what Dannflor's read is on me. Seems he hasn't interacted with many of my posts this game.

[Black]

We're getting into semantics here. I am basically townreading Roden, but I haven't actually read him. I am townreading him (for now) because the amount of people who have shaded him (and nobody except me coming to his defense) makes me think he is town.

Ok I think I see what you're saying. I guess I interpreted you saying "I don't townread him" as "I don't think he's town"

[Dannflor]

I mean you were pushing crescent pretty hard d1 along with others so taking out a defender of that slot if you're scum and crescent is town makes sense

Wouldn't it makes sense for me to push Crescent at some point today if I were scum taking out her defenders?

I'm not saying your scum

I'm operating in a world where we are town pushing mis elims

I think this world is pretty viable because I know I'm town and I was left alive to push flipped town shaddowez

[Dannflor]

I am interested in what Dannflor's read is on me. Seems he hasn't interacted with many of my posts this game.

I am reading you as town

I do not think I am going to get anything out of interacting with you sorry

[Black]

I'm not saying your scum

I'm operating in a world where we are town pushing mis elims

Idk why I can't read today but I understand now