Mini Normal 2317 - Postgame

[Naerys]

We should hurry up. Time is slowly running up.

We should. The last minute attempt to counterwagon is sketch, particularly from Elements who said I wasn't happening. Elements is still happy to vote Gamma where there's a wagon.

Gamma and Elements are likely teamed.

I think more likely is Sleepy/elements buddies

Naerys

You do realize I have anti-associations with Elements, right?

Could be faked.

[Eiralox]

You are so ridiculously wrong.

Sometimes.

[Sleepy Dragon]

We should hurry up. Time is slowly running up.

We should. The last minute attempt to counterwagon is sketch, particularly from Elements who said I wasn't happening. Elements is still happy to vote Gamma where there's a wagon.

Gamma and Elements are likely teamed.

I think more likely is Sleepy/elements buddies

Naerys

You do realize I have anti-associations with Elements, right?

Could be faked.

First of all, yes, my interactions with Elements last 2 pages could be faked. But everything every player does

could

be faked. "Could be faked" is not a valid argument unless you think it's more likely that it's faked than not, and honestly I don't think on an objective level it is.

Second of all, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? If I'm scum with Elements and Eira is town, me and Ele had the whole of yesterday to hammer Eira instead of just waiting for them to come back, and nobody would suspect anything. You even said you are fine with anyone hammering.
If I'm scum with BOTH Elements and Eira, first of all how did you even reach that conclusion. Second of all, why would scum!me start a vanity wagon on Bingle instead of just mislimming you, when you and I both know you are an easy mislim in this game state with how many people are scumreading you. And why would I flip-flop on Gamma so much instead of either defending her for town cred or going on the mislim wagon. Like there's zero reason for half the things that have been happening in the last few pages to actually happen in a world where I'm scum with Elements.

ALSO, you should know by now how my town game looks and realize that I'm uninformed as fuck and have no idea who is scum but I'm trying to piece together a town core that can work together to solve the game.

[Elements]

So the reason I scumread Ele is a bit complicated. Basically I get bad vibes from these posts:

Kitty could be an informed traitor

Why would I out my informed to town then?

Seems like a take for the sake of shading me.

Kitty could be an informed traitor

Why would I out my informed to town then?

I don't actually think you're a traitor
But if you were then outing it to the town is also outing it to your team

I literally said I didn't think you were a traitor

In reality a few people have claimed to be Informed, Elements was apparently a loljoke.

I'm pretty sure I was also the one that claimed this game was based around players being informed too?

No I was.

.....

This I also don't really like, sure it might be misremembering but I'm sus of this.

I was, in fact, just misremembering
hence the question mark

And the "joke" is too much of a coincidence

terrible reason

[Sleepy Dragon]

Just so it's clear, my "hard-town list" is basically
myself
Celebloki
Naerys
Gamma
Elements

the worst

[Elements]

Just so it's clear, my "hard-town list" is basically
myself
Celebloki
Naerys
Gamma
Elements

the worst

this made me laugh

[Sleepy Dragon]

Have you read 244?

And i 'm glad it made you laugh

[Elements]

nope

[Elements]

I'll probably be around for deadline

[Chell]

snip

this does not help quell my suspicions that you two are partnered lol

[Chell]

i don't like the titus wagon i think keylaga was bleeding town

[Chell]

like titus is an easy target for a last minute lim but keylaga was not scum lol

[Elements]

An easy target that ain't gettin no votes

[Bingle]

Didn’t realize deadline was pending.

VOTE: elements

Will be around tonight

[Sleepy Dragon]

snip

this does not help quell my suspicions that you two are partnered lol

I don't really care tbh

I believe you'll have plenty of time to sort me Day 2. Plus if Gamma flips town (which is honestly the like lies outcome of today) then we'll be proven unpartnered.

I guess the only downside to you scum reading me here is that I'm unlikely to be nightkilled if you scum read me, which means I get to spend more time in this hell of a game.

i don't like the titus wagon i think keylaga was bleeding town

like titus is an easy target for a last minute lim but keylaga was not scum lol

First, I don't think Titus is an easy target when you take into account the level of resistance her wagon has had recently

Second, I am openly saying I have 0 clue who is scum this game and I'm basically fine with voting anyone I'm not hard town reading (you can find my list of hard town reads a few posts above this one).

Third even if Titus is town, she's still a better lim than Gamma IMO, because I know I can work together and solve with Gamma (our play style meshes together). Whereas with Titus if she's town and survives today, I can guarantee you she will be miselimmed either Day 3 or Day 4 and I would rather have the miselim happen sooner rather than later.

Fourth, I have been very open to other lims but nobody is on board except lims on people I'm pretty sure are town (Elements, Gamma, Naerys to some degree) or who have bigger than rand chance to flip TPR (Eiralox). So what am I to do with this? Like if you want a wagon on Khaos, or CCS, or even Bingle, by all means let's do it.

[Eiralox]

i don't like the titus wagon i think keylaga was bleeding town

It's just a waiting game at this point with some basic communication. Khaos, Gamma, Naerys. Feels probable.

[Sleepy Dragon]

Like lies = likeliest. Idk what's up with autocorrect.

[Chell]

i am never letting titus get limmed and i don't think anyone should ever be able to drive a miselim on that slot with keylaga's iso

[Chell]

Khaos, or CCS, or even Bingle,

i can kill ccs but i'd prefer to just be sheeped on gamma

[Sleepy Dragon]

i am never letting titus get limmed and i don't think anyone should ever be able to drive a miselim on that slot with keylaga's iso

And yet you call Titus an easy target

Idk Chell, look at this game from my perspective. I see a bunch of towny people, and for the entirety of Day 1 everyone is bent on wagoning only people from my "don't vote Day 1" pool. Who do you think I should be leading a wagon on?

Pedit: do u consider yourself an expert on Gamma / are you confident enough in your read to do a BOP shot, theoretically speaking?

bc honestly I do feel I have quite a bit of meta on her and to me this reads town.

[Eiralox]

After the quagmire I've forced myself through this game somnolent draconis, and with me not even being in hammer range anymore, my vote remains on Gamma Emerald.

There are very good indicators for Gamma being scum.

[Elements]

The real tragedy I feel this game has is that I don't think we're quite going to get to the 100 page day 1 mark

[Sleepy Dragon]

The reason I'm struggling here is my play style revolves around establishing a town core, so that I can solve in relation to the idea that certain people are town (for example, is someone trying to shade / discredit someone who I am sure is town? Who do my townreads suspect, and why? Etc.), but in this game all my town reads want to kill each other, so my first priority is not necessarily to vote off scum but to get my townreads off each other's throats. Though now that I think about it the best way to do it might be to find actual scum, which I don't feel confident in doing.

Dunno if that makes sense to you but that is how I play.

Pedit: good for you

I could always be wrong but I'll be very surprised if I am.

Edit x 2:the real tragedy is that this feels like we've just hit page 40, content wise.

[Eiralox]

The real tragedy I feel this game has is that I don't think we're quite going to get to the 100 page day 1 mark

yeah i just don't have it it me. maybe if everyone votes me again we can try but head wonky. i thought deadline was like 2 hours ago tbh yesterday.

[Eiralox]

The reason I'm struggling here is my play style revolves around establishing a town core, so that I can solve in relation to the idea that certain people are town

Yeah I get you you're uncertain and you're facing a deadline. I'm not going to brute force your takes just be wary of Gamma and naerys no matter how today ends. I still trust Elements but as I told Celebloki use your own judgement.