Open 889 | Secrets of the Anuket Topaz | fin.

[Prism]

While I get that the game is still hard even with knowledge of your alignment, the fact remains that you are in the best position to weigh the 3 alternatives.

There are points in favor of each, but the application seems to me inconsistent. For example, you think that Dragons should be cleared because Dragons should have left over Fire. This same reasoning didn't extend to imaginality, though. The only way I can find to square it is that you thought a Dragons leave would lead you, and just you, to tunnel gob.

T3 has the bad habit of consistently bussing his partners, which removes a lot of the clearing force of his own play. However, Fire's vote remains. I don't put stock in Fire's direct statement "I want to eliminate T3", but it's interesting to me that Fire instantly pulled the quote from camel to assert that one of myself and T3 had to be scum: Fire surely knew that pushing me would have absolute hell to pay.

I'll revisit the anime discussions later, most of my impression on the distraction point just came from Ctrl+F searching "jjh".

[jjh927]

I think the closest there is to a "silver bullet" is something that you likely know; historically my scumgames have never come close to this and aren't able to replicate this level of engagement with a game over a sustained period of time. In defence of my future scumgame, when I do roll scum I think there will be an improvement, but that will take a different form that is more about influencing people in the direction they were probably going to go in anyway than it is conventional deepwolfing.

The other thing is that my scumgame tends towards peak effort at critical moments and much lower any other time. Obviously my effort goes up and down regardless of alignment, but for scum sustained effort has tended to burn me out somewhat. I think that if I was scum here I'd have come into the day resolved to win it from the start of the day with some kind of plan and a lot more enthusiasm than I have right now

[jjh927]

If STD left, Fire could have shot you and I think Shirou would have seriously heard me out on Gob. I'm also not convinced an STD/Firebringer team would have acknowledged that I explicitly asked Shirou to lie and say he'd sheep me even if I didn't get shot- they'd have just noted the deal as it was at eod. If T3 is town, he is is just voting fucking anyone as it is and essentially this could have led to an extremely free Gob elim, or at the very least a gamestate perceived as such

[jjh927]

So yeah, Imaginality or T3. Honestly there's strong reasons for and against both and that's why it's so damn hard to make a decision here

[Prism]

My question here, especially about the unequal application, is: Why does Firebringer leave over imaginality except to troll the town?

I think Fire/T3 is a closer question for who leaves even though Fire staying is better. In contrast, I think having Fire leave over imaginality has no motivation except to troll us, even though that's not totally out of character.

[jjh927]

That's a good question and the most obvious answer is that it's because it's T3 which is who I am voting right now and who I think it is most likely to be

[Prism]

Fair enough, and my preference has shifted back to accommodate the same. jjh->T3->imaginality->Dragons.

Still a tough question.

[jjh927]

But essentially, it'd be because Firebringer and T3 were both on the very vocal Shirou's shit list, who also notably said Imag was town right at the end
Imag may have been in less danger than Fire

Killing shirou over you makes less sense for scum!imag as a result though

[Prism]

I feel surprisingly well-rested, but I do have a meeting with a friend for the next hour or two, so you'll get true zero from me for a bit.

I'd really like to hear from Ydrasse (MOM?????) and Dragons, but we'll see if Dragons even shows up again before deadline.

[Ydrasse]

;-; i don’t know okay i’ve been reading

[Prism]

she is strong!!!!!

[Ydrasse]

i guess i’ve gotten the sense that jjh was like as i said trying to find an answer that doesn’t exist in lieu of him as wolf but i’m compelled by the t3 points

[Ydrasse]

also i think that maybe jjh really does not play today like this as wolf but idk! the kill could be a frame!!’

[jjh927]

The answer definitely exists it's just it's been really hard to conclusively narrow it between those two

[Prism]

i guess i’ve gotten the sense that jjh was like as i said trying to find an answer that doesn’t exist in lieu of him as wolf but i’m compelled by the t3 points

Sorry, do you mind clarifying what T3 points you found compelling? I'm not even sure if it's the +town or +scum ones.

[Ydrasse]

But essentially, it'd be because Firebringer and T3 were both on the very vocal Shirou's shit list, who also notably said Imag was town right at the end
Imag may have been in less danger than Fire

Killing shirou over you makes less sense for scum!imag as a result though

i’m kind of ok with this world existing

[Ydrasse]

but like t3 feels like he’s floundering in a towny way and went through his read on me and the like in a way he didn’t really have to fake as wolf

[gob]

Alright im here. Lets finish this

[Prism]

Gun to my head right now I'd go T3 but rough seas. Be back in 2 hours.

[gob]

So yeah, Imaginality or T3. Honestly there's strong reasons for and against both and that's why it's so damn hard to make a decision here

Wait wait wait, didn't you talk about imaginality being really spewed town earlier Day 4?

I am still willing to hear about imaginality.

[gob]

These two VCs haunted me all night.

VC 2.5

imaginality [4]:Titus, Save The Dragons, gob, Prism

camelCasedSnivy

[2]:

jjh927

,

Firebringer

Titus [1]: imaginality
Shirou [1]: Andresvmb

jjh927

[1]:

camelCasedSnivy

Not Voting [3]:Shirou, Ydrasse, T3

VC 2.8

Titus [7]: imaginality, Ydrasse, Prism, T3,

jjh927

,

Firebringer

,

camelCasedSnivy

imaginality [4]: Titus, Save The Dragons, gob, Shirou
gob [1]: Andresvmb

The second one kinda suggests jjh is town and imaginality is scum.

If JJH is scum, then imaginality is town. But then why would all 3 mafia jump on Titus back to back to back? Maybe they just didnt expect people to notice.

[jjh927]

If JJH is scum, then imaginality is town.

You just continue making incredible insights like this

[gob]

If JJH is scum, then imaginality is town.

You just continue making incredible insights like this

Dude.

You guys have shit on me all game for my reads. So I have been going beat for beat with my thought process, and laying it all out.

Why the fuck you still feel the need to go at me, idk. You should be going at T3 or imaginality.

[T3]

What questions would you like me to answer

[gob]

What questions would you like me to answer

1. Case on JJH
2. Case on Imaginality (if you want)

I don't have any further questions