In post 4671, Prism wrote:
Well played, I think you had some early meta stuff. I'm really annoyed but I'm willing to forgive since it looks like you didn't know better.
The issue with the slow roll is that I told you I would unvote immediately. I set it up specifically so that you could confirm exactly what was happening and blitz.
Well I harbored a small fear that you were gonna flip on me or were testing me. So I had to play it safe.
In a vacuum, you TRing me actually pinned me in a way. Since it forced me to TR you, but I was susceptible to having that flipped on me.
I'm not trying to beat up on you here. I know you made a mistake and didn't mean to waste our time.
But when someone says to blitz or not, take the time to count the votes, then post. I explicitly said I was going to immediately unvote when you acknowledged 4464. The entire point was to give you the time to doublecheck the votes, post a blitz or an acknowledgment, and let us not go through this entire experience.
I think there are a few takeaways from it. I recommend Ctrl+F searching Animated Wiz and Merlyn, his partners.
First, gob tends to be very noncommittal when townleaning a partner. Second, looking at the partner ISOs and comparing it to gob's, he continuously failed to respond to the partner's questions and to interact with them at all. I think this is a stark contrast to this game, where he repeatedly returned to dialoguing with camel.
I also want to take a second to revisit this meta. This was a good mixup from what was your only scumgame onsite. I could see similar reasoning with wagonomics and knew not to townread that, but it wasn't enough.
And of course, sorry to Andres. You had the right read on gob, I strongarmed you through, and then I still wrongly cleared gob Day 4. As promised, two eggs for you and one for me. I'll give you a third as an extra apology.
I was the one who falsely cleared gob so it's 100% on me. I hope you understand why you specifically got voted out of the 4 and that it wasn't a spite vote: I spent probably ~15 hours reading and metaing only town players and obviously none of them were making any sense to me.
I don't know how interested you are in knowing specifically what worked gob, but these posts were what got me on the early Day 4 reread (way, way back at the start of today):
In post 3416, gob wrote:
Prism can you trust me fully and go Firebringer here?
If not I will relent and go Andres
In post 3417, gob wrote:
I think people arent looking at Firebringer because he hasnt posted recently
In post 3420, gob wrote:
The question is do you trust in my skills?
I wasn't joking with what I said yesterday.
I think if we are to vote between Andres and imaginality, we do imaginality first. Andres has scum potential in that pool (Andres/Firebringer), but I feel like it's Firebringer. One thing I noticed is that Firebringer jumped on Titus and then immediately camel jumped on him.
Yes i had a good position of being able to make good posts against Fire and not have anyone vote him. In retrospect the push against Fire was good it seems. I originally thought that whole line of play was a misplay.
Again it dovetailed really nicely with the limited sample from your other scumgame, where the S/S interactions were a lot thinner. I knew you could tone/style match but I really underestimated the upper bound for interactions.
I think what really got me with this setup was that being right achieves nothing unless you actually bring it home. You can't revisit things later and there wasn't enough new information to make inordinately confident slots reconsider bad opinions. We lost Alisae day 1, a balance shift that would probably have just won the game with a Firebringer elim in day 3 if we'd mislimmed someone like STD instead. On day 2, Titus kinda made anything other than a Titus lim impossible and while I don't particularly blame Shirou or Prism for taking me off camel, I'm still a bit bitter we didn't get that. If we'd done Imaginality there I think we'd have just been totally doomed.
Then we have day 3 where tbh I think Shirou wanted Firebringer and I wanted Gob, but neither of us could get what we wanted and Shirou was willing to settle whereas I felt like I needed to get exactly both scum in day 3 or I'd never get even 1 elimination that I wanted. Tbh I was fully committed to that gamble and Gob being surprisingly good with the distancing was basically what sealed that
And then day 4, I had already lost the gamble by being wrong on Gob's partner and I was so committed at this point that I just stopped entertaining Gob as scum
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown