Mini Normal 2317 - Postgame

[Chell]

The one where I’m not scum if bingle and gob aren’t scum

[Sleepy Dragon]

I think if you were scum it would be easy for you to push either Bingle/gob with me, or push me with gob, instead of randomly voting Khaos.

[Sleepy Dragon]

But that obvs doesn't work if partnered with them

[Sleepy Dragon]

I mean I actually did something similar in Fruit Mafia so maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's what my immediate reaction was.

[Sleepy Dragon]

Chell can you talk to me about your read on me?

And also, do you have an independent read on Titus or is your townread there still based on KL?

[Organized Khaos]

You know what, I'm going to trust my gut and vote for Chell.
VOTE: Chell

[Sleepy Dragon]

@Mod, V/LA until Friday evening / Saturday morning, please

@Everyone else - I will try to make a big post either today or tomorrow summarizing my thoughts and attempting to lead this day phase in a direction (it is currently directionless, dunno if you noticed).

[camelCasedSnivy]

i will be here later today

UNVOTE: Sleepy Dragon

VOTE: Chell

[gob]

VOTE: gob

Probably a horrible vote but the best I could do right now

If I'm being snowed by a Chell/Bingle/Khaos (or Snivy) team that would be funny.

Nobody is really going along with you because they know your push is fake and bad. Ive given you plenty of time amd chances to realize your flawed thinking with me. Your conclusions are constantly convenient and its clear you have an agenda.

[Titus]

1.44

Votecount 1.44

Elements (E-2): KittyTacky, Bingle, Titus, Doctor Drew, Gamma Emerald
Bingle (E-2): Sleepy Dragon, Chell, Naerys, Elements, camelCasedSnivy
Eiralox (1): Organized Khaos
Gamma Emerald (1): Eiralox

Not Voting (1):

Celebloki

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-16 10:02:20).

1.46

Votecount 1.46

Elements (4): KittyTacky, Bingle, Titus, Doctor Drew
Organized Khaos (4): Chell, Sleepy Dragon, Gamma Emerald, Naerys
Bingle (2): Elements, camelCasedSnivy
camelCasedSnivy (1):

Celebloki

Eiralox (1): Organized Khaos
Gamma Emerald (1): Eiralox

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-16 10:02:20).

Based on these wagons, and a few I'm not going to quote, Chell Nearys Gob Khaos should contain all the scums.

Scum weren't going to heavily partake in a deadline scramble. That's why I am reluctant to have gob in there but the play today is bad.

[Titus]

Should have included ccs as last shot if all wrong.

[Titus]

VOTE: Naeyrs

Feel better here based on vca and where my suspects are voting.

That could work in a Naerys Khaos ccs world.

[Alianna]

@Mod, V/LA until Friday evening / Saturday morning, please

@Everyone else - I will try to make a big post either today or tomorrow summarizing my thoughts and attempting to lead this day phase in a direction (it is currently directionless, dunno if you noticed).

Noted.

[Sleepy Dragon]

Okay so

I am so tired of this day phase going nowhere, so I have decided to appoint myself as town leader. Everyone except gob and Bingle is either actively townreading me or has shown a willingness to sheep me, so I think I am the best person for the job. I don't think anyone is going to follow gob/bingle/anyone else tbh, and the IC is still MIA. I know gob and Bingle probably won't be super happy about this idea but they are either scum, or town with terrible reads, so I don't really care what they think right now.

So what we're going to do is I am going to explain how I see things, and give 3 possible courses of action for you all. And you just follow the one that you think will work best.

From my point of view, I am confirmed town. We also have an IC. There's also Titus, who is not confirmed but who I have a very high confidence level on being town - I am willing to bet the game on her being town.
Then there's Naerys. My confidence on her is not as high as on Titus, but I am pretty sure she's town - I find it very hard to believe she would be able to fake everything she did this game if she were scum (this is not because I think you suck but because it's hard to fake your town game the first time you roll scum). There is certainly a possibility of her being scum with Chell or Bingle and being coached to fake claim Complex Mailman but... that's honestly not something I want to think about this day phase.

So this leaves us with a pool of 6 players to eliminate from, 3 of which are scum (assuming I am correct):
Khaos, Chell, Snivy, Drew, Bingle, gob

I have spent this day phase trying to get most of you to talk so I can sort you, and have a high confidence TR or a high confidence SR, but this didn't really work. So there are three options of what we can do:

1. Whichever of you guys is town starts to town it up, but like, SERIOUSLY town it up, and then I get 2 more confident townreads and we autowin like how Alisae forced a win in STDBINSBICACOT.
2. We just lim whoever from this pool and then lim whoever from this pool tomorrow if we don't hit scum the first time. Assuming I am correct, this means we have 50% chance to hit scum today and 60% chance to hit scum tomorrow if we don't hit one today (so a 80% to hit scum on either tiday or tomorrow). Then if we hit scum we catch the other two by associations, and if we don't, we don't. If we pick this option I would like to lim in Bingle/gob because they are pretty high info compared to, say, Khaos.
3. We massclaim today and see if this changes anything. REMINDER: tomorrow is Melo so it's totally fine to massclaim and not wait to a time where scum fakeclaiming a guilty is game over.

[Sleepy Dragon]

Also Drew: yes I know you like to really get going later in games, but first of all this is not a large, it's a mini, and second of all this is Day 2 and tomorrow is Melo so I think it's pretty safe to say it's not too early to get going.

[Chell]

VOTE: gob

[Naerys]

VOTE: gob
should be e1 if i count right

[gob]

Why are you guys blitzing me? At least give me more time.

[gob]

Can someone who is actually town interact with me in a real way before I go?

Feels like nothing but wolves

[gob]

Dragon if you are scum, you wouldn't get away with this with better players in this town.

If you are town, seriously need to rework how you play. Just bad.

[Sleepy Dragon]

Yeah that was way too quick

UNVOTE:

[Sleepy Dragon]

Can someone who is actually town interact with me in a real way before I go?

Feels like nothing but wolves

I am actually town

What do you want to interact about

[gob]

VOTE: Chell

[Chell]

none of gob's last 4 posts are real town thoughts

[Chell]

people need to stop falling into the fallacy that a quick wagon is scum motivated

literally that exact same thing happened in this game: viewtopic.php?t=91655

and people got scared off because there was a quick wagon and it must have wolves on it but it was literally on scum