open 894: near vanilla (game over)
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Afrayed Knott He/HimGoonHe/Him
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Hello All, game looked way off staring mid week. But great it’s kicked off.
VOTE: DannflorYou're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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Aisa she/her, they/themMafia Scumshe/her, they/them
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In post 48, T3 wrote:
As both alignments I usually try to reach to start discussion. You modded that Estonia Micro Normal - I believe the one in which I figured out that ceejay and Eira were Masons, in which I was scum and did the same.In post 46, Aisa wrote:
I appreciate the reply! I think I disagree with most of this though lolIn post 44, OutWorldER wrote:
Trying to jumpstart discussion in RVS, even if on a fairly reachy basis, feels fairly townie to me. In general I think scum are more likely to wait for other people to start pushing wagons rather than try to jumpstart one themselves. I also think the reachiness of it is actually +town since I feel like scum would probably be angling for a good first impression here.In post 36, Aisa wrote:
Curious to hear why you think soIn post 31, OutWorldER wrote: T3 is probably town.Excuse me
Sir
You just called my magnum opus "Estonia Micro Normal"
I really want that to be intentional-
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I think I've seen scum do the things you describe enough times that I wouldn't be so quick to say they are town-indicative. For example, I think good scum players know not to come off as too polished or calculated and could try to imitate the "reachiness" of town.In post 49, OutWorldER wrote:
Could you describe what specifically you disagree with? Just to get a peek into your thought process.In post 46, Aisa wrote:
I appreciate the reply! I think I disagree with most of this though lolIn post 44, OutWorldER wrote:
Trying to jumpstart discussion in RVS, even if on a fairly reachy basis, feels fairly townie to me. In general I think scum are more likely to wait for other people to start pushing wagons rather than try to jumpstart one themselves. I also think the reachiness of it is actually +town since I feel like scum would probably be angling for a good first impression here.In post 36, Aisa wrote:
Curious to hear why you think soIn post 31, OutWorldER wrote: T3 is probably town.
Also, my impression of T3 as far as scum players go is that he enjoys the alignment and thrives off trying to look towny. I think he could definitely pull off the things you've listed as scum (and he's said so himself).-
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Oh wait, it was Southern France, the Estonia one was a newbie that fferyllt modded lolIn post 51, Aisa wrote:In post 48, T3 wrote:
As both alignments I usually try to reach to start discussion. You modded that Estonia Micro Normal - I believe the one in which I figured out that ceejay and Eira were Masons, in which I was scum and did the same.In post 46, Aisa wrote:
I appreciate the reply! I think I disagree with most of this though lolIn post 44, OutWorldER wrote:
Trying to jumpstart discussion in RVS, even if on a fairly reachy basis, feels fairly townie to me. In general I think scum are more likely to wait for other people to start pushing wagons rather than try to jumpstart one themselves. I also think the reachiness of it is actually +town since I feel like scum would probably be angling for a good first impression here.In post 36, Aisa wrote:
Curious to hear why you think soIn post 31, OutWorldER wrote: T3 is probably town.Excuse me
Sir
You just called my magnum opus "Estonia Micro Normal"
I really want that to be intentional-
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shaddowez He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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Do you have a reason for this vote, or a belief that the game is still in RVS?In post 50, Afrayed Knott wrote: Hello All, game looked way off staring mid week. But great it’s kicked off.
VOTE: DannflorV/LA on Weekends-
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Still RVS for me, but I’m considering making Dannflor a policy vote each game we are in….In post 54, shaddowez wrote:
Do you have a reason for this vote, or a belief that the game is still in RVS?In post 50, Afrayed Knott wrote: Hello All, game looked way off staring mid week. But great it’s kicked off.
VOTE: Dannflor
Why do you ask?You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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shaddowez He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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There's less than 3 pages to read through, but there's been some non-RVS like interactions. I was curious if you had read and decided to still RVS, or if you had seen something to make a legit vote against Dann.In post 56, Afrayed Knott wrote:
Still RVS for me, but I’m considering making Dannflor a policy vote each game we are in….In post 54, shaddowez wrote:
Do you have a reason for this vote, or a belief that the game is still in RVS?In post 50, Afrayed Knott wrote: Hello All, game looked way off staring mid week. But great it’s kicked off.
VOTE: Dannflor
Why do you ask?V/LA on Weekends-
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that ain’t very funIn post 56, Afrayed Knott wrote:
Still RVS for me, but I’m considering making Dannflor a policy vote each game we are in….In post 54, shaddowez wrote:
Do you have a reason for this vote, or a belief that the game is still in RVS?In post 50, Afrayed Knott wrote: Hello All, game looked way off staring mid week. But great it’s kicked off.
VOTE: Dannflor
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Interesting; so it's more of a rxn-based meta?
My feeling is that Bella's lack of disclosure on the tr itself after being challenged reads as scum. Initial post could be an attempt on getting a foot in first with an easy read to present with towny appearance, coupled with the openness of Bella's #41 leaving ambiguity in the conversation from T3's #26.
Not a strong presentation per se but it's notable imo. Dannflor reads as town to me as of this vote. I'm mainly in agreement with shaddowez on Aisa, no comment on the others for now.Good morning, and in case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and good night.-
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got some free time to hang out & unwind so i'll read through the thread will not be here much tomorrow though, just so you all know. stuff's going good though i'd say-
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disagree! i haven't been able to fully play a game in a while so i might be wrong on this, but i don't think self-consciousness is inherently scummy but tbf i don't know what general scum meta on this site is & how bella plays in specific. i mean i tend to be pretty self-conscious regardless of my alignment due to overthinking a lot of things, and i know some other people who are more self-conscious as town and more confident as scum. i think people who are more unfamilliar with scum positions tend to be more self-conscious, and those who are more familiar tend to be less self-conscious, actually. and since bella's been on this site a while, i'd assume they've played scum roles a number of times.In post 26, T3 wrote:
"Is it bad to already have a tr" indicates to me that Bella has a degree of self-consciousness and feels the need to ask permission from the thread to express her thoughts.In post 22, JupiterXV wrote: may i inquire why you scumread bella?
this is actually rather anecdotal but i have fun in scum positions but i've only played a non-town role maybe... three times? and so i'm absolutely incredibly VERY self-conscious of what i'm posting and very aware of every minute detail, more than i would be as town
anyways, that being said, i'll pose a question. if bella was new to the site do you think this post of hers would be more or less scummy?
tbh i actually think whether people start wagons or not isn't inherently alignment indicative. i think what's AI isIn post 44, OutWorldER wrote:
Trying to jumpstart discussion in RVS, even if on a fairly reachy basis, feels fairly townie to me. In general I think scum are more likely to wait for other people to start pushing wagons rather than try to jumpstart one themselves. I also think the reachiness of it is actually +town since I feel like scum would probably be angling for a good first impression here.In post 36, Aisa wrote:
Curious to hear why you think soIn post 31, OutWorldER wrote: T3 is probably town.whythey're starting a wagon, like trying to figure out the reason / motivation behind it. t3's read does seem a bit genuine to me, though i could be reading it wrong. obviously the reason doesn't stand for me (because i would personally not be making such a read) but i can see why they would think that. my standards are personally just different and bella's post does not ping me one way or another.
that being said it isn't a bad thing to have an early townread who is the townread tho
i think aisa is towny to me! out of all the players so far they seem the towniest
posts seem to have genuine thought behind them, they're putting out some original takes, but not trying too hard (trying hard is cool but i think i tend to generally associate that trait with scum)
kurtapika, out of curiosity, what was the mafia you played like? it seems to be of a different style
OK i gotta go now. bye gang i got some more stuff but business calls! see ya-
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What differentiates Bella from being town and having a genuine read on someone and then being playful in 41 from Bella being scum and having a fake read on someone?In post 60, Kurtapika wrote: My feeling is that Bella's lack of disclosure on the tr itself after being challenged reads as scum. Initial post could be an attempt on getting a foot in first with an easy read to present with towny appearance, coupled with the openness of Bella's #41 leaving ambiguity in the conversation from T3's #26.-
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As I said before: In a vacuum that post is objectively more likely to come from scum than town, but there are factors such as personality and experience that may affect that vacuum. Also, I wanted to start discussion. If I go ahead and say that "this post from Bella is completely NAI" then there's nothing to discuss, is there!In post 64, JupiterXV wrote: disagree! i haven't been able to fully play a game in a while so i might be wrong on this, but i don't think self-consciousness is inherently scummy but tbf i don't know what general scum meta on this site is & how bella plays in specific. i mean i tend to be pretty self-conscious regardless of my alignment due to overthinking a lot of things, and i know some other people who are more self-conscious as town and more confident as scum. i think people who are more unfamilliar with scum positions tend to be more self-conscious, and those who are more familiar tend to be less self-conscious, actually. and since bella's been on this site a while, i'd assume they've played scum roles a number of times.
this is actually rather anecdotal but i have fun in scum positions but i've only played a non-town role maybe... three times? and so i'm absolutely incredibly VERY self-conscious of what i'm posting and very aware of every minute detail, more than i would be as town
anyways
If Bella was new to the site then that post would definitely be more scummy.In post 64, JupiterXV wrote:that being said, i'll pose a question. if bella was new to the site do you think this post of hers would be more or less scummy?
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Would the motivation for me starting a wagon not be that the game's discussion starts rolling? It doesn't seem like you're interpreting OWER's post correctly.In post 64, JupiterXV wrote: i think what's AI is why they're starting a wagon, like trying to figure out the reason / motivation behind it-
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the motivation can be to look town, t3
surely you are aware of that-
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Yeah that's true, I'm not even sure what I thought Jupiter was saying.-
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ehh fair. willing to let it slide igIn post 66, T3 wrote: As I said before: In a vacuum that post is objectively more likely to come from scum than town, but there are factors such as personality and experience that may affect that vacuum. Also, I wanted to start discussion. If I go ahead and say that "this post from Bella is completely NAI" then there's nothing to discuss, is there!
wondering if you would see it differently if the person posting it was different in some manner, i think, if that makes sense. kinda hard to explain but your take on bella seems more like of a... sort of, more theory-based scumread? like less on what bella did and more like "this post is traditionally very _ or _"In post 66, T3 wrote: If Bella was new to the site then that post would definitely be more scummy.
Why did you ask this question?
what do you feel about bella now? still scum? or nah-
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But I guess it's basically impossible to tell whether someone trying to start early discussion is doing it from a place to look town or scum, unless they're being super LAMIST. I don't know if I'm right. I don't think this matters anyways.-
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Null, maybe. a little scummyIn post 70, JupiterXV wrote:
wondering if you would see it differently if the person posting it was different in some manner, i think, if that makes sense. kinda hard to explain but your take on bella seems more like of a... sort of, more theory-based scumread? like less on what bella did and more like "this post is traditionally very _ or _"In post 66, T3 wrote: If Bella was new to the site then that post would definitely be more scummy.
Why did you ask this question?
what do you feel about bella now? still scum? or nah-
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Again the town reading while possible, I would view it as less sensical to have to test waters before putting forward reads in the first place when playing as town. 41 mainly contributes to the feeling of Bella giving the appearance of bringing up discussion but not actually furthering it in this case, IMO, which scum can tend more towards doing as mentioned.In post 65, T3 wrote: What differentiates Bella from being town and having a genuine read on someone and then being playful in 41 from Bella being scum and having a fake read on someone?
It was on night start with faster games and generally smaller table sizes, so it didn't have as heavy of a reliance on solely post analysis during D1. New territory for me.In post 64, JupiterXV wrote: kurtapika, out of curiosity, what was the mafia you played like? it seems to be of a different style
I'm curious regarding the thought process behind this. Would have thought other way around with new players seeming given to uncertainty in general and thus posts like these usually being regarded as NAI.In post 66, T3 wrote: If Bella was new to the site then that post would definitely be more scummy.Good morning, and in case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and good night.-
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