Open 893 - 09:12 - Postgame

[Alianna]

1.11

Votecount 1.11

Cobblerfone (E-1): imaginality, ssbm_Kyouko, Mizuki, Elements
imaginality (2): Cobblerfone, Puffalicious
ssbm_Kyouko (1): Enchant
Enchant (1): Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (1): Thomith

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-26 23:23:15).

[Enchant]

Interesting angle.

If i am mafia in fact i just instahammer. I lose nothing with it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I see, I see!

[Mizuki]

Not sure what to make of the Enchant/Gamma interaction.

At this point I just want Cobb to claim.

[Cobblerfone]

Not sure what to make of the Enchant/Gamma interaction.

At this point I just want Cobb to claim.

Normally I wouldn't without intent to hammer but with the fear of being quickhammered

I am the follower

I crumbed this a little earlier in 308 hoping someone on the wagon would pick it up and ease pressure but guess not *shrug*

[Enchant]

VOTE: Cobb

[Alianna]

1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Cobblerfone (EXECUTED): imaginality, ssbm_Kyouko, Mizuki, Elements, Enchant
imaginality (2): Cobblerfone, Puffalicious
Enchant (1): Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (1): Thomith

With 9 players alive, it took 5 votes to secure an execution.

[Alianna]

Cobblerfone has been executed. They were a

Mafia Goon

.

It is now Night 1. The night deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-26 11:54:19).

The night can end early if all living players request it.

[Alianna]

Enchant has been killed. They were a

Vanilla Townie

.

It is now Day 2.

[Alianna]

2.00

Votecount 2.00

Not Voting (7): Puffalicious, Thomith, Elements, Gamma Emerald, ssbm_Kyouko, imaginality, Mizuki

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-12-06 12:48:37).

[Elements]

was this one of the hypoclaim scenarios?
if so how does that work I don't really get it

[Thomith]

Hypoclaiming plan, in summary, assuming a town PR is not dead by morning of D2:

Everyone in turn claims whether they have a hard guilty or not

If nobody has a hard guilty, everyone hypoclaims as though they are one of the roles on 2/4/8/10 on the clock in the setup. When hypoclaiming, make sure the result you are claiming could be legit, like if you're pretending to be on 2 dont claim as though a 7 is in the game because it's not possible from 2's POV. Every hypoclaim needs to be believable so it can't be used to POE the TPRs. Also dont hypoclaim a guilty because we're checking for guilties before the hypoclaim so that will also out you as a VT. It is very important that any TPR on 1/5/7/11 claims as though they are on 2/4/8/10 otherwise this would obviously expose you.

Benefits of claiming the guilty first before any hypoclaims is half the time the other TPR is one that can protect the investigative TPR that claimed, and by claiming guilty first, the protective has not outed themselves

Benefits of claiming on 2/4/8/10 is that it does not give scum any info about the setup before flips unless someone claims an inno on scum where scum knows a real PR would have a guilty. In this case it helps scum POE into PR kills/wagons

Benefit of 1/5/7/11 claiming as a 2/4/8/10 - 1/5/7/11s do not have the ability to hard guilty anyone and it is still possible to crumb your actual result/target by using the hypoclaim. For example a doctor could say they tracked X nowhere and after that doctor flips, we can probably assume X was doctored if it would make sense from flipped doctor's POV to guard X. I don't think that 1/5/7/11s necessarily should crumb what they did because oftentimes it won't amount to a hard guilty or hard inno.

This is all recapped on mobile without referencing the setup clock but I think it should be accurate

This was the last thing I remember seeing regarding hypoclaiming, so I assume we are going with this plan?

[Mizuki]

I do not have a hard guilty

NKA: Enchant is an odd kill here. His only votes were on Kyouko and the hammer on Cobb, and his only real interaction of the day was with Gamma, who I'm not sure he was even scumreading. Two possibilities immediately present themselves to me, one being that he was simply killed for being a low-info, low associative kill. The other is that Enchant quickhammering after Cobb claimed Follower might've made the last scum think he was a PR. The former scenario is what worries me, since it implies a deep-wolf I think.

I think imaginaility has to be town here, I don't think scum replaces in to immediately start swinging at their partner, especially since it was his vote that really restarted the Cobb wagon and imaginality never really offered an alternative wagon other than Puff. That kind of bussing on D1, especially when we had like 3 days left in the deadline at that point, in a 2-scum setup? Doesn't seem likely to me.

Two main suspects for today are Puff and Gamma. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the Cobb wagon was all town and the Enchant push at the end of the day from Gamma smells bad to me, and Puff has looked null to scummy all game so far.

I think I'll start here for today:

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[imaginality]

I don't see why Enchant quickhammering implies a deep wolf but I definitely think it led scum to think Enchant is a PR (so, very nicely played, Enchant).

I don't want to vote until after hypoclaim but Puff and Gamma are also my main suspects (in reverse order to you, since Cobb flipping scum still fits my theory Cobb was deflecting attention away from Puff).

Hypoclaim: I do not have a hard guilty.

[imaginality]

Oh I misread re. the deepwolf point

[Thomith]

Hypoclaim: I do not have a hard guilty.

I'd be inclined to say I don't think the last Mafia is Puff - calling back to this post I made during Day 1:

When rereading I just realised something I did not notice before.

I fully only thought there were like 2 or 3 of us questioning Puff about post 30, but on a reread it seems like it was over half the playerlist in the entire game that was questioning the slot (Me, Gamma Emerald, Cobblerfone, Elements, Mizuki, Kyouko) either directly on post 30, or on other things after it became clear that the Puff slot had gained a lot of attention. That definitely gives me vibes that Puff could very feasibly just be Town, and there was at least one Mafia jumping on that seemingly easy train of thought/suspicion.
Again this also makes me more tempted to read Elements as Town currently, as it did look like they were trying to avoid this happening, at least to me.

Cobb was one of the people that seemed to jump onto suspecting Puff after a few people had already declared their suspicions on them, which now Cobb has flipped red, makes me think they were opportunistic scum jumping onto someone who wasn't them, which makes me feel better about Puff being town - it reinforces what I thought at the time that Puff may just be town.

Unless they randomly hard bussed, I feel very good about Imaginality and Kyouko for sure, also feel relatively good about Mizuki for now too.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I dont have a hard guilty. I drafted something overnight - this is a scenario where we should be hypoclaiming with a VT dead overnight - if there was no kill or a PR death it might have been best to stay quiet (aside from the have/don't have a guilty claims)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't have a hard guilty - does anyone have a hard guilty before we move to hypoclaims?

These are the possible hypoclaims for 2/4/8/10, where the letters are variables like targets or actions:
2 (Tracker): X went nowhere, X visited Y, (X visited Y and Z is a hard guilty)
4 (Follower): X did nothing, X Jailkept, X Tracked, (X shot/killed is a hard guilty)
8 (Roleblocker): I roleblocked X
10 (Rolecop): X is vanilla, X is a doctor, X is a Roleblocker, (X is a rolecop is a hard guilty)

As a reminder, if you are on 1/5/7/11, you should make up a claim on 2/4/8/10. If you want to you can try to "sneak" your actual claim into the hypoclaim.
For example a Vanilla Cop who got a Vanilla result could claim to be a Rolecop that got a Vanilla result.
A jailkeeper could claim to have roleblocked their target.
Doctors and Babysitters can claim anything, just try not to out yourself.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Claimed no guilty:
Mizuki, Kyouko, Imaginality, Thomith

Have not claimed a guilty/no guilty:
Gamma, elements, Puff

[Puffalicious]

I still stand by on what I said about imagi. After seeing Cobb's flip, imagi linking us to Cobb looked like he was setting up a miselim after flipping his buddy. His vote on Cobb I could see it as a bus. Cobb was already getting suspected in the thread when imagi replaced in and of course scum would want to look good after their scum buddy gets flipped. When you play or spectate a lot of mafia games, you start to recognize reading games based on what you expect scum to do in certain situations. What imagi did by linking me to Cobb when there has been no scum flip it's always only scum who do this and town doesn't do this.

Enchant's hammer also pinged me because Cobb claimed a pr and it did look like Enchant was scum who knows Cobb is scum. I'm glad mafia killed Enchant because it removed a heavy suspected poe slot for me.

Hypoclaim: I do not have a hard guilty

VOTE: imaginality

[Puffalicious]

Forgot to sign my A initial on my first post I wrote before this post.

- A

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t have a guilty

[Elements]

I don't have a guilty either

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't agree that Imaginality could never be bussing here, but I didn't get that feeling yesterDay and I'd need to see evidence of that to go that way toDay. I think it makes sense scum tried to kill Enchant thinking he had a good shot at being PR given how he hammered a claimed PR.

[imaginality]

Hypoclaim: I roleblocked Elements