open 894: near vanilla (game over)
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vote count 1.2 !
Bellaphant (2):OutWorldER, T3
T3 (2):JupiterXV, Nono
Dannflor (1):Skygazer
Skygazer (1):shaddowez
ProjEctRy (1):Titus
Aisa (1):Kurtapika
shaddowez (1):Dannflor
not voting (5):Aisa, Black, Bellaphant, ProjEctRy, Afrayed Knott
with 14 alive, it takes 8 to over-represent someone's malice. day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-12-06 13:48:14)
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I feel good about Aisa so far. It feels like she's engaging with people in a cooperative and amicable way and it feels like she's trying to genuinely figure them out
I like T3 here too. 15 feels like he's mocking bella considering his read in 26 which is kinda mean but not necessarily scum indicative. I like Project's read on T3 in 91 and I had similar thoughts when reading through, so I like Project so far as well
I agree with OWER's read on Jupiter in 86 and I like how inquisitive and engaged OWER feels
Nothing is really pinging me as scummy yet-
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VOTE: Dannflor
I still think I'm entitled to an RVS vote and this is pretty fitting since I always end up scumreading Dann anyway-
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Aha I did wonder if aisa was being overly nice and was it scummy, but I agree T3 is probably town.-
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Your T3 read feels odd here, as 91, a post you say you had similar thoughts to, voices suspicion on T3. You say you like T3, but your only point is early posts for which your only point is "not necessarily scum indicative". What has T3 done that is townie, in your opinion?In post 101, Black wrote: I feel good about Aisa so far. It feels like she's engaging with people in a cooperative and amicable way and it feels like she's trying to genuinely figure them out
I like T3 here too. 15 feels like he's mocking bella considering his read in 26 which is kinda mean but not necessarily scum indicative. I like Project's read on T3 in 91 and I had similar thoughts when reading through, so I like Project so far as well
I agree with OWER's read on Jupiter in 86 and I like how inquisitive and engaged OWER feels
Nothing is really pinging me as scummy yet-
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Bolded is the thought I had when reading through and it's not voicing suspicion on T3, it's explaining why he might be townIn post 91, ProjEctRy wrote:His level of involvement in pushing discussion and analysing players feels more townie. He’s not afraid to put himself out there.But I do think that’s a very basic, newbie take from me. I don’t think an experienced player would be concerned about that if scum.-
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Ah, I had the wrong post, my bad, I was thinking of Project's 76-
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I've never played with Aisa before but I like the way she's thinking about the game, and specifically T3's alignment. It feels deeper than surface levelIn post 103, Bellaphant wrote: Aha I did wonder if aisa was being overly nice and was it scummy, but I agree T3 is probably town.
Are you familiar with Aisa's meta?-
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Oh look! That's me they're talking about!
So, I'm not sure this applies to T3 and I'm still weighing how I feel about him overallIn post 89, OutWorldER wrote:
What's your thought process behind viewing antagonism and a serious attitude as scummy?In post 77, Aisa wrote:
Yes, this basically. T3's post pinged me because 1. he was playing on Bella's post, which I thought could be a way to try to insert himself into the conversation as scum, 2. he came off as kinda serious and antagonistic while doing so, which again I thought could be scum-indicativeIn post 63, T3 wrote:I don't want to answer for Aisa but I think that because my statement in 15 was intended to play on Bella's statement in 13, my 15 could appear to be more abrasive, in a sense.
I didn't have a very fleshed out thought process when I made the read. Sometimes you just see a post and think "oh that reminds me vaguely of what that scum player said in this other game", and boom, a tentative read is born.
If I were to speculate a bit on why antagonism and having a serious attitude could be scummy, I guess when you are scum you uhm, naturally see the town as your enemy and feel a bit disconnected from them? But depends a lot on the individual player-
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In post 101, Black wrote:
I like T3 here too. 15 feels like he's mocking bella considering his read in 26 which is kinda mean but not necessarily scum indicative. I like Project's read on T3 in 91 and I had similar thoughts when reading through, so I like Project so far as well
Black - I’m taking ‘like’ to equate to leaning town but is there more to what is making you lean town for T3?
I found the reasons in your post to be fairly weak to form a town read, even though part of it is based off of shared thoughts with me. Whilst I gave thoughts in 91 as to what I found to be town leaning about T3, I though those thoughts were very basic and could easily be inapplicable to a more experienced player. Presumably you don’t agree? (Or agree basic but still applicable ha)
The other part of your comments regarding him point out that him being mean is not necessarily scum indicative, but it wouldn’t make me lean Town either.
I’m just curious if there is more that I’m missing as to why you (or anyone else) think T3 is leaning town.-
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I would say it's more of a townlean than a full on townread, and yeah it's definitely weak. My reads generally are early on. There's not much more to my read other than thinking T3 doesn't have to be doing this if he's scum here. And thinking about his mocking of bella a little more I feel like that's more likely to come from town. I don't think scum would want to make enemies on page 1In post 110, ProjEctRy wrote:In post 101, Black wrote:
I like T3 here too. 15 feels like he's mocking bella considering his read in 26 which is kinda mean but not necessarily scum indicative. I like Project's read on T3 in 91 and I had similar thoughts when reading through, so I like Project so far as well
Black - I’m taking ‘like’ to equate to leaning town but is there more to what is making you lean town for T3?
I found the reasons in your post to be fairly weak to form a town read, even though part of it is based off of shared thoughts with me. Whilst I gave thoughts in 91 as to what I found to be town leaning about T3, I though those thoughts were very basic and could easily be inapplicable to a more experienced player. Presumably you don’t agree? (Or agree basic but still applicable ha)
The other part of your comments regarding him point out that him being mean is not necessarily scum indicative, but it wouldn’t make me lean Town either.
I’m just curious if there is more that I’m missing as to why you (or anyone else) think T3 is leaning town.-
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In post 93, OutWorldER wrote:
Why do you think you need to be confident to place your vote down on T3? It takes 8 to eliminate somebody today, and yours would be only 2/8. Votes are often considered a tool to put pressure on other players on this site.
Do you have any other suspicions?
I felt my read was weak so didn’t warrant the vote at that stage, but I appreciate what you’re saying and I guess I’ll come to learn to use my vote in that way.
As it stands I’m likely to place my vote on T3, but as per your question as to whether I have any other suspicions, not really, but I’m going to read everything over again. It nobody else stands out then I’ll place my vote on T3.-
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Why is T3 scum fypov?
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In post 112, Black wrote:
I would say it's more of a townlean than a full on townread, and yeah it's definitely weak. My reads generally are early on. There's not much more to my read other than thinking T3 doesn't have to be doing this if he's scum here. And thinking about his mocking of bella a little more I feel like that's more likely to come from town. I don't think scum would want to make enemies on page 1
Ok, fair point in relation to the mocking. I agree, dumb move to be making enemies that early if scum.-
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Instead of randomly checking my phone 30 times for 2-minute periods with my attention split between 3 games, I’m instead playing this game by looking at it for 30-minute periods on my computer in which I can actually think about stuff. If my posts sound unnatural and forced, it’s because they are.In post 94, Nono wrote: reading now
disliking t3,, doesn’t read “forced”, reads “planned” with the “>rand scummy”, don’t think that’s the case,, would like to see proof if we wanna go there, I’m petty
project, to me, reads newbtown)
ower towny too, seems believable
nahhh xDIn post 84, T3 wrote:
Just statistically.In post 78, Aisa wrote:
Why?In post 66, T3 wrote:
If Bella was new to the site then that post would definitely be more scummy.In post 64, JupiterXV wrote:that being said, i'll pose a question. if bella was new to the site do you think this post of hers would be more or less scummy?
VOTE: t3-
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Actually I might be misunderstanding your post but wdym by “planned?” Would that imply I’m scum with Bella?-
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Black kinda said it but I expected scum to either go harder on the read, (i.e not saying that if I was new it would be scummier), or less hard (more appease-y, not ignoring me asking then to guess my tr), whereas what's they've done is explained a thought process and then moved on, especially because I was like 'ok cool'.i also don't think scum would draw attention to themselves over something that, whether T3 cared/knew about my meta or not, could really easily be disproven. Tldr their thought processes are clear and I can't see the utility in taking the approach they did for scumIn post 109, Aisa wrote: Bella why do you think T3 is likely town?-
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I saw this differently - while yes, I could see it being antagonistic looking, scum could have played off it more subtly, or just ignored it at all. Being willing to poke at something and see reactions comes out as townier to me.In post 77, Aisa wrote:
Yes, this basically. T3's post pinged me because 1. he was playing on Bella's post, which I thought could be a way to try to insert himself into the conversation as scum, 2. he came off as kinda serious and antagonistic while doing so, which again I thought could be scum-indicativeIn post 63, T3 wrote:I don't want to answer for Aisa but I think that because my statement in 15 was intended to play on Bella's statement in 13, my 15 could appear to be more abrasive, in a sense.
What about this post feels townie to you? None of the discussion points seem to provide any useful information, and the explanations of self-consciousness almost feel like they're WKing Bella here (as does their random interjection defending Bella into the OutWorldER/Aisa posts).
I'm getting a TR on OutWorldER based on 93 and the interactions leading up to it.
That said, getting a ping here:
VOTE: Jupiter
It feel like they sawsomereason to vote T3 and have been hanging on to it. 70 sounds like they're starting to form a reason to back out of their vote, without having to look anywhere else just yet.V/LA on Weekends-
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Not that it matters, but ^ was my tr btw-
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Why did you townread 12?In post 120, Bellaphant wrote: Not that it matters, but ^ was my tr btw-
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Also I'm still curious about what I asked you in 107-
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HmmIn post 118, Bellaphant wrote:
Black kinda said it but I expected scum to either go harder on the read, (i.e not saying that if I was new it would be scummier), or less hard (more appease-y, not ignoring me asking then to guess my tr), whereas what's they've done is explained a thought process and then moved on, especially because I was like 'ok cool'.i also don't think scum would draw attention to themselves over something that, whether T3 cared/knew about my meta or not, could really easily be disproven. Tldr their thought processes are clear and I can't see the utility in taking the approach they did for scumIn post 109, Aisa wrote: Bella why do you think T3 is likely town?
I kinda like the idea that scum could have been more appeas-y
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Mainly vibes tbh, it's page one.
Also, I replied to you this morning, but I think it was only in my head. I think aisa is always a /bit/ like this and I think I've been tin foily about her before but I don't think I've misread her when push comes to shove
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