Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

I forgot this was a 10 person game at start. I don't think we no Elim here

[Doctor Drew]

Well if Dragon is being truthful, there is no way imo Black would be the NK target.

Joke response, Altaria isn't in the game Dragon, you are a liar.

[Black]

My gut tells me Dragon is probably telling the truth but it feels strange that he JK'd me when I was such a high townread of his. Unless he thought I would be the NK target I guess

More than likely scum is within {Umlaut, kyouko, Aliana} and they no-killed to set this up

[ssbm_Kyouko]

UNVOTE:

[Black]

I still think the correct play is to fade me here but give me time, let me talk some things out so you all are better set up to solve this when I'm gone

[Black]

UNVOTE:

Do you agree with Hu Tao, and why?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I am claiming a non-specific PR that I think supports the lazy vig claim on balance

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think it's mechanically probable that you are town which means either dragon is lying scum or he stopped you from being killed last Night. If he stopped you from dying we should not waste the time we've gained by no-eliminating

[Celebloki]

Hmm, I was not expecting Dragon to say Black(Ataria) was his target. I was sure he was going to have targeted someone I felt was scummy. Off the rip I am inclined to think Black could have been the NK target and the JK was protective but I want to go back and do some re-reading before I commit to any specific theory.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

From D1 I thought my role would support a Vigilante on balance but that felt like it would be too swingy/powerful for town if it were in the game ungated. Lazy Vig makes a lot of sense to me

[Black]

Hmm. Ok

I'm curious to hear what Dragon's reasons for targeting me are

[ssbm_Kyouko]

My role is also why I so confidently declined to comment on my tell on gob

[Black]

If Dragon stopped the NK then I think Umlaut or kyouko could have wanted me dead. I don't really see Aliana trying to kill me

I still think it's more likely that scum no-killed to initiate this chaos but idk

[Black]

It just doesn't make a lot of sense for scum to target me over Dragon

[Doctor Drew]

It just doesn't make a lot of sense for scum to target me over Dragon

Pardon me for not fully believing you would be the NK target, even if Dragon is actually the JK.

My gut is telling me we YOLO this and kick Black outta here.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

just yeet someone else and have dragon continue to JK Black, if she is scum she still won't be able to shoot while jailed

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Her claim makes sense mechanically with mine and I think we've established that Black and I can't be scum together, not only on numbers (3 scum in 10p is a lot), but it doesn't make sense for me to try to steer a wagon off of a flipped Goon onto a different teammate

[Celebloki]

Hmm, the side of me that likes to come up with crackpot theories tells me if we tell DE to jail Black every night, we'll end up at 3p with Dragon/Black/Towniest person left and it'll turn out that DE is scum and just no killed every night then will win because he is conftown at that point. I almost want to say if we go down this route and get to that scenario, we lim Dragon at that point.

That's of course not counting for any other PRs that may shed more light on out situation.

[Umlaut]

I guess I'll claim? Why not

I'm a Lazy Vig. I tried to kill Umlaut last night but it didn't work because there's only 2 scum this game

Don't ask me why there is a Vig in a 10 person game because it doesn't really make sense, but I'm guessing the Lazy modifier balances it out somewhat

Vig makes sense to get us onto odds starting from 10 players. I had a 1-shot vig in the 10p I ran.

Luckily we're on odds now anyway so I don't see any reason to no-elim. Let's just follow the jailer.

VOTE: Altaria

[Hu Tao]

I still think the correct play is to fade me here but give me time, let me talk some things out so you all are better set up to solve this when I'm gone

Are you still able to vig?

[Black]

I still think the correct play is to fade me here but give me time, let me talk some things out so you all are better set up to solve this when I'm gone

Are you still able to vig?

Nope. I'm Lazy so both scum need to be alive for me to be able to shoot

[Black]

I guess I'll claim? Why not

I'm a Lazy Vig. I tried to kill Umlaut last night but it didn't work because there's only 2 scum this game

Don't ask me why there is a Vig in a 10 person game because it doesn't really make sense, but I'm guessing the Lazy modifier balances it out somewhat

Vig makes sense to get us onto odds starting from 10 players. I had a 1-shot vig in the 10p I ran.

Luckily we're on odds now anyway so I don't see any reason to no-elim. Let's just follow the jailer.

VOTE: Altaria

Fade this after me please

[Celebloki]

idk, I think Umlaut is the yeet and we humbly request that Dragon pretend to JK Black again.

It's hard to see gob and Altaria/Black as partnered.

Umlaut's ISO is just terrible, especially when read alongside gob. Shades gob for his taking Drew's open wolf bait. Does similar waffling on committing to the DE wagon D1, he says hes all over the place and then quickly changes his mind about that. Shades the gob wagon while trying to push Hu Tao. gob conveniently leaves Umlaut out of basically all his his reads except for one time saying he is 'nai' on him.

VOTE: Umlaut

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah I'm with this, E-2:

VOTE: Umlaut

@mod you have Random Nurse back in the VC for D2 btw, or at least you did last I looked

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think scum no killed to frame Black and her claim backfired on them