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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Fri Dec 01, 2023 2:28 pm

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In post 447, Thomith wrote: In post 204, Kittiesecret wrote:
*SNIP*

Thomith... a very busy bee, feels town to me. *shrug*
Since you are now seemingly scumreading me, can you explain what you meant by this originally? What changed between this post and now?
Originally, I felt your interactions felt very genuine and in line with trying to solve.

but watching as the game goes on, your posts feel flip floppy.

you went out of your way to build a case on 3 players and then arguably chose the one with the weakest case to cast your vote against. because they called you out for exactly what I'm saying above.

Testarossa, i feel is genuine in their quest to solve. she is interacting and asking questions. responding and putting forth good theories.

I don't think were going to hear from arko. i think we either elim the slot and go forth with the players we have. or hope that we get a good replacement.

I'm torn on where to put my vote at this time.
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:05 pm

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Replacing Arko.
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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:36 pm

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And now we wait
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:39 pm

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In post 475, Kittiesecret wrote:
In post 447, Thomith wrote: In post 204, Kittiesecret wrote:
*SNIP*

Thomith... a very busy bee, feels town to me. *shrug*
Since you are now seemingly scumreading me, can you explain what you meant by this originally? What changed between this post and now?
Originally, I felt your interactions felt very genuine and in line with trying to solve.

but watching as the game goes on, your posts feel flip floppy.

you went out of your way to build a case on 3 players and then arguably chose the one with the weakest case to cast your vote against. because they called you out for exactly what I'm saying above.

Testarossa, i feel is genuine in their quest to solve. she is interacting and asking questions. responding and putting forth good theories.

I don't think were going to hear from arko. i think we either elim the slot and go forth with the players we have. or hope that we get a good replacement.

I'm torn on where to put my vote at this time.
This feels like a misrep to me, which I'm finding myself disliking. To insinuate that I am voting Testarossa simply because they have suspected me is not true. I have stated more than those reasons in 428, and in 449 I explain why I discounted Arko for now.

I "went out of my way" to start questioning 3 players at the start of the day because the game was not really moving, so I did what I could to start generating discussion.

How do my posts feel flip floppy?
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:43 am

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In post 475, Kittiesecret wrote: Originally, I felt your interactions felt very genuine and in line with trying to solve.

but watching as the game goes on, your posts feel flip floppy.

you went out of your way to build a case on 3 players and then arguably chose the one with the weakest case to cast your vote against. because they called you out for exactly what I'm saying above.
I disagree, i got feeling like Thom is trying to solve the game. And his reaction to my claim felt genuine.
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:06 am

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In post 471, Thomith wrote: Can you explain what you mean about my "self-conscious lines" because I genuinely dont know what you mean when you're saying that.

Just because you arent voting someone doesnt mean you're not suggesting them as an option.
My wagon had grown once before, so it's not out of the realm of possibilities that it could have happened again, while Kittie's wagon stagnated after only a few votes.

In all honesty I was following Black with the Enchant vote. I didn't like the push on her so thought there was a big enough chance of her being Town to see where the wagon went, and if enchant flipped town I feel it would have still given us a decent amount of information on black/others on the wagon. Admittedly I didnt expect the hammer to happen so quickly.
I think we talked about it before. I am on the fence about it for the whole game as it could just be a playstyle thing. Everytime someone scumreads you or feels uncertain about you, you are immediately summoned and jump straight out of the box to question the person. I can see why you would act like that as town to form better reads, but it also just looks like scum that is concerned to stay safe and tries to shoot down any possible suspicions.

And you think you would have been so much better as counterwagon than Kittie? You, who wasn't even widely scumread besides maybe by Black? Like, did you get the vibe from my post that I was trying to convince Black to move away from Klick? Why should I act all passive as partner when I see the focus shifting to Klick? I don't see what you would see here.

The argument is a bit funny to me, when I look how you just started immediately questioning Klick when Black started mentioning and voting Klick. With a question that Klick already had answered before, to you even. If you were just following Black then why did you wait in doing so until Hu Tao has joined as well?

For that matter, why not also joining the Naerys wagon back then (who was actually pushing for a Black lim) when it had three votes and you weren't voting anywhere else and were already town on Black anyway? You went for Kittie later and I have no issues about that one. Going by you didn't seemed really town on Naerys though.
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:07 am

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In post 475, Kittiesecret wrote: Testarossa, i feel is genuine in their quest to solve. she is interacting and asking questions. responding and putting forth good theories.
What changed between D1 and D2 though? In you had me as scum and tbh I don't think my play hasn't changed much since then.
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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 5:54 am

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Elements replaces Arko.
I townread Alianna.

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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:01 am

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Hello Elements.
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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:12 am

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Hello hello hello
I will star reading
if you wanna throw me some questions to answer ill get to them when I'm caught up
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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:41 am

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Vibes while reading


Page 1: Testarossa town

Page 2: gamma town , Tommith is curently my lowest read
Page 5: Black town

Page 6: Kittie probs town , not sure about gamma anymore

Page 9:
Page 10: Black/Naerys interactoin feeling tvt

Page 12: I don't think scum!Naerys ever makes

misread who dies between Black and Hu Tau when i started hence back reads but no hu tau reads
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:42 am

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I do think Hu Tao is town though
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:44 am

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Three tiers of my reads
order within the tiers is arbitrary
Gonna look at the scum flip iso

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Gamma Emerald
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Kittiesecret
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:47 am

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Since Arko had to be replaced, I am adding 24 hours to deadline. Also, VC shortly
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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 7:00 am

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Spoiler: ORAM
In post 63, ORAM wrote: I actually believe Thomith about his thought process, I think it's flawed and more complicated a plan than necessary but it feels real to me.
Feel like I'm kinda biased given my current stance, but I could see this being directed at a partner
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
If you thought Thomith was being weird, why vote him with no followup? One could say you've voted and explained later yourself.
Doesn't read as distancing to me
I think Black and Hu Tao can be town for now. My gut says at least one of the scumteam is in the group of players who haven't engaged yet, but it's early in the day and as they get involved they should become sortable.
I think this is probably just a list of two town

Spoiler: Klick
In post 107, Klick wrote:
In post 106, DragonEater70 wrote:
Replacing ORAM.
Hi that's me

VOTE: Thomith
Do you remember me? You were in all the good marathons like ten years ago :D Good to see an old face.
Could absolutley see this being on a scum buddy
In post 152, Klick wrote: Got a bit of time before work
In post 137, Arko wrote:3: Klick voting Hu Tao: Can I get some like, thoughts on this vote? you are probably the first person here to have something besides a town read, let alone having a scum read. Would also be nice to hear your thoughts on more than just Hu Tao though.
I feel like the townreads on Hu Tao are rather weak reasoning for how strongly they're being expressed
I see no real reason she couldn't be scum

Her posting feels... careful, is probably the best way to describe it? I feel like there's a deliberate effort to make her posts feel like accurate description and to put out a large amount of content
I'm not really feeling the belief behind those thoughts though
A complete flip flop in reads on Hu Tao from ORAM. I just don't feel a partner doing this?
In post 154, Klick wrote: In terms of other reads, I think you and Naerys are pretty solidly town. I feel good about Thom too, the reaction test stuff felt very authentic and like he genuinely wanted to use it to get reads and content that he could parse.
More "Thomith seems good"
I'm fairly happy with the Black wagon, I think there's potential for scum there but I don't really want to add momentum to it atm
On the wagon at the time of posting - Tesstarossa, Naerys, Arko (me!)
I feel like there could be something here? Seeing if there's more support to try and push it through because there are already 3 town on it? not sure
I'm leaning it being an all town wagon
This is the only time any of the slot mention something actually to do with Testarosa

Spoiler: Enchant

Like anyone can read anything from that iso
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 7:01 am

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That just increased the confidence of my reads I think
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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 7:02 am

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VC 2.02
Votecount 2.02


Testarossa (2):
Thomith, Naerys
Thomith (1):
Elements

Not Voting (4):
Hu Tao, Kittiesecret, Gamma Emerald, Testarossa

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure an elimination.

The deadline is (expired on 2023-12-06 17:38:55).

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You might be wondering, what's up with Dragon? Why does he put flavor in all of his VCs all of a sudden? And well, I wish I had a good answer. Unfortunately, that guy is as much a mystery for me as he is a mystery for all of you. So I can only guess.

My guess though is that Dragon was abducted by aliens and was replaced by someone else who is only pretending to be him. Yeah, that sounds like a plausible explanation.

Anyway, for whatever reason, Dragon wants you to see this random picture:


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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:25 pm

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Elements posting looks solid but I kinda still want to flip her slot
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 3:16 pm

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I like in 489 how Elements perceives some posts of Enchant slot, whch mirrors some thoughts I had about them as well.

The readlist pings me a bit, but that's probably mostly me being a bit paranoid.

Elements, can you explain your progression from Kittie as town down to your scumreads? Also why do you think that Thom is scum?
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:12 pm

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In post 493, Testarossa wrote: Elements, can you explain your progression from Kittie as town down to your scumreads? Also why do you think that Thom is scum?
Kittie's position is more poe where Thom I think is scum
the tr of kittie was partly based on her being a newer player giving the benefit of the doubt to some of the "i'll read up in a bit" and "i'm not really sure about anything" vibe posts but then i remembered something either someone said or a game daisy was in where a newb!scum did exactly that just to be under the radar so that faded the bod. Wasn't a fan of the readlist especially the reasoning for the read on you. Generally not done anything that's pinged me as towny since that post i vibed with


Thomith I feel I may be tunneling on because of which I can just see as replacement scum coming in and voting a buddy. I don't think I'll be able to see it a different way unless Thomith flips town.
Skimming Thom's iso I've only just properly clocked that their first vote was on ORAM which has given me pause

That being said and really rub me the wrong way
A lot of the read is based on partner equity
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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:12 pm

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In post 492, Gamma Emerald wrote: Elements posting looks solid but I kinda still want to flip her slot
What does flipping me help you with?
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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:33 pm

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In post 495, Elements wrote:
In post 492, Gamma Emerald wrote: Elements posting looks solid but I kinda still want to flip her slot
What does flipping me help you with?
I feel similar on your predecessor as you feel on Thomith, there’s posts that imo are partner-indicative
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 4:34 pm

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In post 496, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 495, Elements wrote:
In post 492, Gamma Emerald wrote: Elements posting looks solid but I kinda still want to flip her slot
What does flipping me help you with?
I feel similar on your predecessor as you feel on Thomith, there’s posts that imo are partner-indicative
fun
could you point me to them?
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:49 pm

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I like elements, just like I like arko so I don't see myself voting there today
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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:49 pm

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VOTE: Naerys

I still don't see the naerys townread.
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