we have reason to think that lowering enlightenment/increasing enlightenment has a mechanical effect beside advancing us toward wincon (EX: a town role that only works at 1+ enlightenment would make us want to spare a confident townread Day 1).
I don't have a read on this outside of not seeing any mechanism to make this work other than gating Dark Jester factional abilities behind the LE
-Python
Actually yeah this is correct more likely evils get buffed by enlightenment.
When i open this game, and starting read, i immediatly close it because i starting strongly consider self last townie alive and others are just jesters.
In post 280, Aureal wrote:
Not sure why you think I in particular should have an opinion here
I just felt I didn't really have much content from you, you popped in so I used the opportunity to ask you a question, then I just continued to nag you about it because I like getting my questions answered lol.
In post 280, Aureal wrote:
you seem to be using the reasoning that you expect Kitty to be less useful later on. And I don't know that I'm comfortable using such reasoning.
Also that reasoning would apply just as well whichever alignment Kitty is.
Not exactly.
My thinking is this: I think Kitty has slightly higher than random chance to be town. If I'm correct about that, then sparing him is a pro town move, regardless of whether we do it today or on Day 3. However, if we spare my slot right now (the whole discussion started when Sakura voted to spare me and Python), then there will be one less person willing to spare Kitty on a later day. And I doubt Kitty can get himself super townread in ELo.
Therefore, since I think it's a good idea to spare him, I would like to do it BEFORE ELo. Because I am THAT confident I will be able to get my slot spared in ELo.
PEDIT: Also what Python said in the above post.
I have zero trust for myself in eLo after blundering away a game or two like that.
When i open this game, and starting read, i immediatly close it because i starting strongly consider self last townie alive and others are just jesters.
In post 364, KittyTacky wrote:
I think Cool is town. Vibes. I don't think scum would tryhard like this so early.
Reads list coming later today.
Uh... Ever play with usesPython before? This is almost low-key for them.
Seconded
Python is a try hard no matter what, thankfully they have spoilered all the maths for me though haha.
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
In post 291, Something Cool wrote:
Odds of a perfect game where we only lim consensus town doesn't look good to us tbh
I think with the confirmation that Enlightenment can go into the negative it would be super risky to fade anyone close to null D1. I could be wrong but I absolutely think we should go for the towniest player here
Right right right I thought it was capped at zero. nvm what I said.
When i open this game, and starting read, i immediatly close it because i starting strongly consider self last townie alive and others are just jesters.
When i open this game, and starting read, i immediatly close it because i starting strongly consider self last townie alive and others are just jesters.
In post 291, Something Cool wrote:
Odds of a perfect game where we only lim consensus town doesn't look good to us tbh
I think with the confirmation that Enlightenment can go into the negative it would be super risky to fade anyone close to null D1. I could be wrong but I absolutely think we should go for the towniest player here
Right right right I thought it was capped at zero. nvm what I said.
When i open this game, and starting read, i immediatly close it because i starting strongly consider self last townie alive and others are just jesters.
In post 291, Something Cool wrote:
Odds of a perfect game where we only lim consensus town doesn't look good to us tbh
I think with the confirmation that Enlightenment can go into the negative it would be super risky to fade anyone close to null D1. I could be wrong but I absolutely think we should go for the towniest player here
Right right right I thought it was capped at zero. nvm what I said.
VOTE: Something Cool
Do you have any thoughts on Alianna or Hu Tao?
Alianna null, Hu Tao kinda sliiightly above null. Both are probably my least visible players this game.
When i open this game, and starting read, i immediatly close it because i starting strongly consider self last townie alive and others are just jesters.
After Hu Tao said she's confidently TRing him I did an ISO of him and I think he's nulltown.
I also think that mechanically it's more optimal to spare a nulltown on Day 1 than a top townread
UNLESS
we have reason to think that lowering enlightenment/increasing enlightenment has a mechanical effect beside advancing us toward wincon (EX: a town role that only works at 1+ enlightenment would make us want to spare a confident townread Day 1).
Pedit: I am also fine with doing Alianna. What's making you doubt your Hu Tao read?
I know this is modWIFOM but this seems like the kind of mod to make complex games so enlightenment definitely affects SOMETHING.
However! I just realized. To reduce swing and give negative feedback, what if enlightenment buffs evils?
In post 291, Something Cool wrote:
Odds of a perfect game where we only lim consensus town doesn't look good to us tbh
I think with the confirmation that Enlightenment can go into the negative it would be super risky to fade anyone close to null D1. I could be wrong but I absolutely think we should go for the towniest player here
Right right right I thought it was capped at zero. nvm what I said.
VOTE: Something Cool
Uhh...was this you considering fading a scummy player to avoid an enlightenment buff?
Btw i'm not sure how viable this is, but remember it's plurality vote, so we can run out the deadline and still achieve what we want, earning more discussion time.
In post 157, Something Cool wrote:
The best part about being in a hydra is that we can just call things based or cringe without ever putting in effort in sorting people
-Python
Based.
I townread Alianna.
Post #1000s Collected: 26
On hiatus from playing mafia.
I actually hope for the day you are scum and I am town.
So I can be the arbiter of your demise
Was that too intense?
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
Python wrote:Guessing Drew is that low cause of this?
*snip*
Actually it's mainly because of how if you look at his ISO, he doesn't make a single attempt to solve, makes tonally weird fluff posts that try to sound serious, and has not made any remotely towny-sounding post.
I would need to check how much experience Dragon has with Drew, but I know I scumread town!Drew for similar stuff in WDM Redux, which Dragon was in. It wasn't
exactly
the same thing, but he was coasting, not being all that solvy, and I thought his tone was off. The point being that it feels like maybe Dragon should have known that wasn't scum-indicative.
Funny enough, Drew also bet his life on town!Snivy that game, but it wasn't quite as early as the Sakura locktown.
I townread Alianna.
Post #1000s Collected: 26
On hiatus from playing mafia.
Python wrote:Guessing Drew is that low cause of this?
*snip*
Actually it's mainly because of how if you look at his ISO, he doesn't make a single attempt to solve, makes tonally weird fluff posts that try to sound serious, and has not made any remotely towny-sounding post.
I would need to check how much experience Dragon has with Drew, but I know I scumread town!Drew for similar stuff in WDM Redux, which Dragon was in. It wasn't
exactly
the same thing, but he was coasting, not being all that solvy, and I thought his tone was off. The point being that it feels like maybe Dragon should have known that wasn't scum-indicative.
Funny enough, Drew also bet his life on town!Snivy that game, but it wasn't quite as early as the Sakura locktown.
I also bet my life on scumTitus and townPython quite literally, which did work out fairly well lol. I forget, was Snivy town that game?
Also, to make things clear, my Sakura read was based in jokes......brb let me explain
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
In post 97, Sakura Hana wrote:
VOTE: Sakura
I don't understand how anyone can townread anyone strongly enough to be voting for them within 4 pages at this point in time.
Sakura lock town
Sakura doesn't understand how any one can townread someone so quickly.
I lock her as town.
The Aristocrats.
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
Python wrote:Guessing Drew is that low cause of this?
*snip*
Actually it's mainly because of how if you look at his ISO, he doesn't make a single attempt to solve, makes tonally weird fluff posts that try to sound serious, and has not made any remotely towny-sounding post.
I would need to check how much experience Dragon has with Drew, but I know I scumread town!Drew for similar stuff in WDM Redux, which Dragon was in. It wasn't
exactly
the same thing, but he was coasting, not being all that solvy, and I thought his tone was off. The point being that it feels like maybe Dragon should have known that wasn't scum-indicative.
Funny enough, Drew also bet his life on town!Snivy that game, but it wasn't quite as early as the Sakura locktown.
I also bet my life on scumTitus and townPython quite literally, which did work out fairly well lol. I forget, was Snivy town that game?
Also, to make things clear, my Sakura read was based in jokes......brb let me explain
Snivy was cult iirc.
I didn't check the entire game, just some of the early game.
P-edit: should have voted her lol.
I townread Alianna.
Post #1000s Collected: 26
On hiatus from playing mafia.
Not exactly.
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
