open 894: near vanilla (game over)

[Dannflor]

Although not sure why Aisa wouldn’t perform the kill in that case

[Dannflor]

Okay let’s get this fucking T3 elimination over with so we can either reevaluate or get on with ending this game

VOTE: T3

If it flips town im so right and you can all please sheep me tomorrow if im alive

If it flips scum uh this was totally all just a gambit or something

[ProjEctRy]

Dann why are you flipping your votes around?

I’ve questioned this myself. He is always vote switching, but I’ve been conflicted about it.

It feels overly excessive and feels like an attempt to throw votes around and see what traction he gets. On the other hand, if it’s not excessive (I don’t know his meta) then it’s just scumhunting. Plus I never raised my suspicions because I thought I was potentially just biased / influenced by the fact he was pushing me Day-1 and most people had him as a strong town read so I thought maybe I was wrong.

But I don’t like his back and forth on T3. He came off the vote, but now people are starting to look at him he jumps back on it and is all for the lim now.

However, my biggest issue with Dann is what OWER points out at 1593. If Dann is scum why does he start the Black wagon which leads to the hammer?

[ProjEctRy]

Also there has been a few times when Dann is questioned about things and he ignores them. My question at 863 and Afrayed’s at 1592 etc.

Maybe it isn’t AI that he ignores these, but I do find it odd. Everyone else seems to respond to direct questions.

Apologies if you have in fact answered these and I’ve missed the response.

[ProjEctRy]

Okay let’s get this fucking T3 elimination over with so we can either reevaluate or get on with ending this game

VOTE: T3

If it flips town im so right and you can all please sheep me tomorrow if im alive

If it flips scum uh this was totally all just a gambit or something

To me the bolded part above is very different tonally to everything else Dann has posted.

But, before I’d be prepared to vote Dann I’d need someone to explain a good reason as to why he would have switched the momentum towards Black which led to her lim. This is a major sticking point.

[Afrayed Knott]

@Project, you realize that T3 has been limmed? And we are in Twilight.

[Aisa]

the facts:

- Titus jailkept T3
- no one died last night
- T3 responded negatively to a scum self-hammer
- T3 claims he spotted the Titus crumb during night one, which seems unlikely looking at what the crumb actually was
- T3 showed no indication that he spotted the crumb in his thought processes/words today
- the fact that T3 was baffled at how strong my scum read was is also indicative that he wasn't aware of the crumb at all
- lets suppose he did spot the crumb and just didn't acknowledge it whatsoever until Titus claimed, looking for crumbs in itself is still scummy behavior

T3 is obvscum y'all!!!!

I think it's most likely that T3 already knew about Titus's crumb regardless of his alignment. If you're scum and you're blindsided by a Jailkeeper claim, I think your first reaction is going to be "oh no! how do I do damage control??" and I think that 1. looking for crumbs, then 2. making a post about how you totally already knew the crumb was there is just... a pretty unintuitive way to go about it.

If T3 is scum I think it's more likely he just got his cover stories mixed up and forgot he was supposed to pretend he didn't know Titus was JK for a minute.

You happen to notice a crumb, you don't need to be actively looking for crumbs. And having some background awareness of who is likely to be a PR can be useful even if you're just a good ol' regular VT. (You yourself say you picked up on Titus hinting she was the JK and this influenced your approach to T3 today)

[Aisa]

You

can

happen to notice a crumb, you don't need to be actively looking for crumbs.

ebwop

[Aisa]

Dann why are you flipping your votes around?

I’ve questioned this myself. He is always vote switching, but I’ve been conflicted about it.

It feels overly excessive and feels like an attempt to throw votes around and see what traction he gets. On the other hand, if it’s not excessive (I don’t know his meta) then it’s just scumhunting. Plus I never raised my suspicions because I thought I was potentially just biased / influenced by the fact he was pushing me Day-1 and most people had him as a strong town read so I thought maybe I was wrong.

But I don’t like his back and forth on T3. He came off the vote, but now people are starting to look at him he jumps back on it and is all for the lim now.

However, my biggest issue with Dann is what OWER points out at 1593. If Dann is scum why does he start the Black wagon which leads to the hammer?

The amount of vote switching Dann has done is not considered all that out of the ordinary and I think it fits Dann's personality (I still think it's fine to question it if you think the votes are scummy or you don't understand why he's switching)

[ProjEctRy]

@Project, you realize that T3 has been limmed? And we are in Twilight.

He’s hasn’t. He’s E-1 isn’t he?

He only has 6 votes. You unvoted.

[Afrayed Knott]

You sure?

[Afrayed Knott]

Yeah I can’t count.

[Afrayed Knott]

VOTE: Aisa

Not Comfortable with the T3 vote, ok it’s billed as the best mechanical but I’m thinking this is better.

[Bellaphant]

Nah, intent to hammer

[Aisa]

FWIW I knew T3 was at E-1 but I didn't say anything as I wasn't sure if Knott was doing a reaction test

[Aisa]

I've been in a weird position as there were a couple reads I was considering elaborating on, at the same time wasn't sure if I wanted to hammer t3, and generally don't think talking about reads in twilight (or near-twilight situations) is a good idea

[Aisa]

Kinda just want Bella to hammer atp

[camelCasedSnivy]

Okay let’s get this fucking T3 elimination over with so we can either reevaluate or get on with ending this game

VOTE: T3

If it flips town im so right and you can all please sheep me tomorrow if im alive

If it flips scum uh this was totally all just a gambit or something

so… you townread T3?

[camelCasedSnivy]

also if i was actually good at finding crumbs i 100% would look for them as either alignment

[Dannflor]

I town read T3 but no one wants my preferred eliminations

I also recognize there is a chance I’m wrong so I’d either like to be proven wrong or proven right so that there’s a greater chance people will listen to me tomorrow

[Dannflor]

@projectry, me throwing my vote around is mostly a symptom of me having an indecisive personality, I also just like to see what people do in response to certain votes. I don’t subscribe to the idea that I need to justify every vote I make. Sometimes I vote just because it’s funny.

I might be less likely to answer questions unless I think the answer is going to create a reaction I think will help me read someone better or help someone else read me better

I think I’m about as obvious town as I can get this game so I’m quite a bit less concerned with town telling this day phase

[Dannflor]

Interestingly enough, I think there’s a fairly likely world where T3 is scum but actually didn’t make the night kill

The NK got doc protected and T3 believes he’s been caught for the wrong reasons

That’s actually pretty much the only world I can imagine T3 as scum

[Dannflor]

But also I just can’t shake the feeling Skygazer is overblowing her push on T3

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