Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5

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i don't think black would lie to me on the internet so she's probably town

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I'm reading from the beginning right now

has there been a mass claim / are there other claims

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kyouko presumably has a good reason for not claiming yet?

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the main reason I'm curious is that if kyouko's role is a nothing-role or otherwise very weak i think we can probably just say dragon is always town

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JK + 6 VTs vs. 2 goons is a balanced newbie setup

adding an extra townie and a Lazy Vig probably doesn't impact the balance all that much?

but kyouko's role might impact that one way or another

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I will say I briefly skimmed over Black vs. Drew in the last couple pages and my initial impression is that is a TvT

Altaria locktown

More from me tomorrow.

why though?

I feel like Dragon is a hot take sort of player

i mean he's right about me but i would like to see how he got there

I will ask in our PT how he got there and get back to you.

Arent you just admitting you’re mafia here?

VOTE: Doctor Drew

for some reason this kind of post does not really strike me as partnered also

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I;m not feeling this hu tao wag

Why not?

Why not?

Feels like counter to Altaria wagon

i think scum!gob is pretty prone to white-knight townies getting pressure as a strategy

I'm also town reading Hu Tao tonally so far

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i feel like i have my primary scum read already and the rest of this is just academic but I'll finish reading before I say anything

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the way dragon + gob interact early D1 i would find extremely unlikely to come from partners

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like page 7 + 8 is just them being annoyed at each other and it's not really in a theatery way

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are we also waiting for Dragon to claim who he targeted N2?

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Yes. Did you target me because you townread me or did you think I was scum?

Townread

Still townreading you

we need you buddy

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How did kyouko become part of the town block

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that's fine whatever I didn't want to be in the town block anyway i dont even care

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because kyouko is the person I think is probably scum

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I think you are probably town

Lazy Vig fits pretty remarkably well with a 10-person setup and I don't really think you'd think to fake claim that

I just generally town read your tone and the way you are playing

I think the way you were pretty happy to die after being revealed as the JK target was genuine

and I also think the correct play for scum as soon as the JK claim happened and scum was killed D1 was to intentionally no-kill, otherwise you risk guiltying yourself or creating innocents, and it wasn't very clear who Dragon was gonna target

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I guess I think scum probably just takes the shot at dragon if they think there's a very low chance Dragon JKs them, in which case I think scum was someone who doesn't look the best in light of dragon's flip

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The way kyouko has played around their claim feels very much like scum trying to make their claim seem more real by linking it to other roles

Your claim is already believable Black

What Kyouko does by linking her claim to yours is actually give *her* claim more credibility without actually promoting that directly

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I'd like to wait for kyouko to claim and Dragon to out his target before I get too far in the weeds, that information might end up changing my mind

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Dann should I not go into this right now? You said you didn't want to go into your kyouko read and here I am like "hmmmmm"

you can do what you want! I just kind of don't want to launch into a big wall case on anyone and then have to immediately back track if like kyouko's claim is confirmable and likely town or DK's target is super revealing

I just think kyouko is:

1. the person who seems to be trying to endgame the most out of anyone left alive
2. a person who tried to derail the gob wagon end of day
3. someone who is playing around their own role/claim in a scummy/performative way

I town read altaria/Black and Dragon pretty strongly. I think Hu Tao and geraint are likely to be town

My most unsure town reads are probably celebloki and drew right now

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is that a vengeful claim

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dragon waiting room

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I mean it's very possible I'm scum reading kyouko because she's a PR

I have a very bad habit of scum reading PR play

still would like to wait for dragon before I attempt to reevaluate or anything because I think there's a decent chance that if Dragon targeted a person other than Black then that person might be scum

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I already explained why

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but I think I might just be scum reading a PR for being a PR and it's just Drew

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VOTE: drew

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we can just no-elim tomorrow if there is one too...

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because scum not killing twice in a row effectively gave us an extra elimination

it would be bad

i think scum would risk framing someone once, (and also to get info on who Dragon is targeting) but not twice

I think it's more likely scum wanted to get info on who Dragon targeted and then make a kill thinking it likely Dragon would target someone other than scum

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like I agree we should get back on odds before elim-lo, that always improves our chances

but we don't have to do that today necessarily

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1082 is the scummiest post i've read all game lol

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I like how Black gets jailed, no prob.....I get jailed, must be scum.

This doesn't consider people's reads, the gamestate, or any other nuances. It's purely a salty take about being pushed and stinks of "caught for the wrong reasons."

I do kinda believe Dragons, I don't trust Black at all, Dann I feel worse if Black is town.

Dragons is essentially conf-town given the amount of power claimed, unless Kyouko's role is crazy powerful. "kinda believe Dragons" sounds very fake. Lining me up if Black flips town is also scummy.

Hu could be deep wolfing, but they are the only one making sense here(at least in regards to to me lol).

Drew needs A LOT of miselims in order to win this game so he needs to cast doubt on almost everybody. This sentence is overly qualified and just further emblematic of the fact that there are no actual reads portrayed in this post, just positioning.

Pre Edit: Black, wouldn't scum be more likely to fake a claim that 'makes sense'?

lol. why is drew trying to convince Black that Black is scum? This is also purely a WIFOM argument. It doesn't consider what the claim actually is or what type of sense it makes. It doesn't consider kyouko backing Black up with support of Black's claim, it's just shading Black for the sake of it.

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bzzzzt incorrect

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@kyouko, does your role give you any inclination as to whether Dragon is likely to be town or not

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Black is town Drew

If you’re town you need to be looking at other slots

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@kyouko, does your role give you any inclination as to whether Dragon is likely to be town or not

I'm sure this doesn't need to be asked now.

probably

It’s just frustrating because in certain worlds the obvious answer is that Dragon is scum

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I just realized Dragon is 2-shot which I think means kyouko has to be town

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I'm also inclined to think Drew is scum here

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I started the gob quick wagon.

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I think gob is scum.

I don't think Drew is scum, but if he is the gera does have some partner equity.

Anyway, VOTE: gob

any crumbs?

VOTE: gob

UNVOTE:

I'm also okay with a gob wagon. He's also in my shortlist after my re-read and I'm inclined to give a PR claim a chance.

VOTE: gob

VOTE: gob

huh

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I'm also starting to get sus of Gob but I'm not sure why.

I'm also fine with a gob flash wagon

ig it comes from this

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I don’t think you’re mechanically scum drew

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hum

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i was gonna reread than decide on a vote

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i hope this is correct and i didn't actually have to do anything this game

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sounds ominous

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I am mostly just apprehensive because I think I'm setup to be the game winning mis-elimination for scum if this is wrong and the fact I didn't do anything this phase is something people can point to to dunk on me

I also don't have a great feeling about who else it would be atp

I know I said Drew but I've been kinda rethinking that

so anyway hope i just got carried!

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It’s not me

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VOTE: drew

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I think dragon is probably town due to claim and black has just obv towned all over the place this game. I dont think she goes from super high WIM pushing Hu Tao to super low WIM today if scum, because she would be really close to winning today if scum

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I think Drew’s reads have been super political since I entered the game. Black has been his purported strongest scum read since forever and now he’s shifting to me because he believes I’m an easier mis elim than Black today

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Idk just track his reads on everyone throughout the game

He keeps reinforcing how he has paranoia on so many slots but very few town reads

Idk i just dont think he has a towny perspective on the game or has wanted to truly sort the gMe like ever

I feel bad i dismantled the fight between you two when i repped in because I thought the gane was harder than it is

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@dragon

Pls come and hammer drew

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No

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Is it dragon

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Guess i probably should’ve interrogated his slot beyond the claim

Oh well

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gg

sorry i did not give this game my fullest attention