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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:15 pm

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mb you're just much better at playing this game than I am because I can only think in straight lines
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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:30 pm

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i think going in straight lines is better a lot of the time tbh

but i also think daisy is less likely to be that type of scum player
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:31 pm

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im just thinking about that

like

lets say daisy is mafia

why would she not just wait a few more minutes to see if I actually hammer rather than unvote mere minutes from elements challenging me?

like if shes mafia she doesnt lose anything ? like waiting 4 minutes to unvote versus waiting 10 minutes to unvote is not really much different?
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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:32 pm

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like regardless of how well you think she knows me it feels like the reward of getting thru this day is worth waiting a few extra minutes
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:38 pm

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thats fair i guess

i guess my perspective on it is that i had like right before this just been pushing pretty hard for her to explain her meuh vote and the final conclusion was basically "i dont have a scumread it's just poe"

and i think if i were in that position i would be pretty wary about immediately after having my weakly supported vote contribute to a death, when there was the opportunity to unvote. i think that would draw a lot of eyes the following day

so if it were me id be kinda antsy to unvote already and would gladly take an opportunity that looked like being reflective and towny and all that

the only downside is if people somehow turn on her and lim her instead but that seems pretty unlikely since most people townread her. town is gonna die either way, doesn't matter if it's meuh now or someone else later. and maybe it's better for it to be someone else bc then meuh is left for later as one of those slots that people feel pressured that they "need to resolve"
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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:40 pm

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waiting a few minutes is possible but idk personally i think its almost worse to have town get hammered while lingering on a wagon that you don't really belong on (again, if there's no real threat)
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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:41 pm

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why didnt you care about why i voted you ?
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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:43 pm

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i made a mental note of it but i don't usually dig into people voting me

it's probably a flaw i guess but i don't really enjoy doing it and i don't often get much out of it anyway
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:44 pm

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you're welcome to share your reasons if you'd like though
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:49 pm

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nah its fine

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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:53 pm

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good night!!
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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:53 pm

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one last question

did you think elements wanted me to hammer meuh?
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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:59 pm

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imo it would have looked really out of place if they said basically anything else so it's hard to judge what they actually wanted

if i were to guess, id lean towards thinking they didn't care if you did, but i also think as a chaos agent there's like a solid chance they'd say "do it" anyway even if partnered with meuh
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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:09 pm

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ok good night for reals now :]
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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:04 pm

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@Ari were you actually gonna vote there or was it just a reaction test?
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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:09 pm

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I'm enjoying all this talk about if I wanted Ari to hammer
I though Ydra was voting Meuh before the unvote so Meuh was at e-2 again
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Post Post #591 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:22 pm

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Meuh's probably now my biggest town read based on associatives. I don't really see any convincing worlds where she's paired with anyone from the small hood and that just makes her town.

Ari/Ele are super sus imo for the bloodthirstyness. I think it's a perfectly legitimate strat for the small hood mafia to just bink in the hammer on Meuh there, and then N2 & N3 kill off their neighbours in the small hood sacrificing themselves and leaving us with a final 5 and little to go off of (hell it was Ele and Ari both wanting it so they could just keep the 50/50 there anyways and then it's an even messier situation for town).

POE in the big hood leaves Fire and I don't especially like their push on me. I said I was gonna be busy and then the questions came in and I answered them in a way where I was hoping to sorta cut off the questioning and yea. On the one hand prolly shouldn't have been staring at the game and playing whilst round a friend's but on the other I'm glad I was there to unvote before the possible hammer came through.

I don't really see the scum motivation to unvote there. I had the perfect excuse of being round a friend's as to why I would be AFK, and whilst I was on the Meuh wagon I do feel I explained why I was there pretty well even if it rubbed Fire the wrong way. The next couple days would be nowhere near lights out for me and a prolonged Day 1 is just bad for mafia cause more info will be swirling about + there's a world where Fire's push gains momentum today and I'm toast (keep in mind if I'm mafia and I die today it would be gg).
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Post Post #592 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:23 pm

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In post 590, Elements wrote: I'm enjoying all this talk about if I wanted Ari to hammer
I though Ydra was voting Meuh before the unvote so Meuh was at e-2 again
Oh wait fr?
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Post Post #593 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:23 pm

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That kinda fucks all my points if true LMAO
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Post Post #594 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:27 pm

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All good Ydra was voting Fire prior to the unvote thank god I don't have to reevaluate everything again on like 2 hours of sleep zzz
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Post Post #595 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:31 pm

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In post 593, OopsieDaisy wrote: That kinda fucks all my points if true LMAO
I feel like I've done this to a bunch of your points
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Post Post #596 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:31 pm

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In post 594, OopsieDaisy wrote: All good Ydra was voting Fire prior to the unvote thank god I don't have to reevaluate everything again on like 2 hours of sleep zzz
Except the me/meuh world
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Post Post #597 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:35 pm

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In post 596, Elements wrote:
In post 594, OopsieDaisy wrote: All good Ydra was voting Fire prior to the unvote thank god I don't have to reevaluate everything again on like 2 hours of sleep zzz
Except the me/meuh world
El you can lie about not knowing it would hammer lol, you saying that doesn't change anything
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Post Post #598 (ISO) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:49 pm

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I think I need to reevaluate my reads in the big hood cause a POE read of 1 on the one person pushing me feels way too easy. Gonna wait for Afrayed and Dann's responses to the current game state then go from there.

For now, VOTE: Elements
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Post Post #599 (ISO) » Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:35 am

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In post 579, fireisredsir wrote: and i think if i were in that position i would be pretty wary about immediately after having my weakly supported vote contribute to a death, when there was the opportunity to unvote. i think that would draw a lot of eyes the following day
I just don't know agree with this. I think the eyes would be more drawn to players like me, Elements, and Ari for setting up the e-1 and then the hammer shenanigans. I don't think Daisy would have gotten any more attention than us three and I think it would have been safe for her to wait a bit
In post 580, fireisredsir wrote: waiting a few minutes is possible but idk personally i think its almost worse to have town get hammered while lingering on a wagon that you don't really belong on (again, if there's no real threat)
I guess I can kinda see where you're coming from. Once people start looking over the wagon and why people voted there then maybe Daisy does get a little flak. I still think the majority of the scrutiny would fall on me/Elements and potentially Ari though. If I were scum in Daisy's shoes I would have pretended I wasn't here and let it play out
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