I hammered because given what Roden pointed out about Gob's play, I did not believe the claim. I did not want people to unvote, revealing themselves as not a doctor to the mafia; or have to try to push it through because their own role conflicted with what Gob claimed.In post 835, Flavor Leaf wrote: Dunnstral hammering the way they did looks like scum locking in the hammer before people would get PR scared.
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I still think gob was fairly town. When hes scum he's just scummy. But it's hard to explain.-
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I had a reason, but forgot it in the grammar debacle.In post 848, Hu Tao wrote:
INFJ. How come?In post 842, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Hu Tao - do you know you’re MBTI?
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For Flavor Leaf I don't like the way they pushed yesterday and now today. For AnimatedWiz I get the sense that they are playing back and trying to blend in while asking others their thoughts while occasionally trying to steer things towards an elimination on people pushing them.In post 853, Hu Tao wrote: How come?-
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Why do you think they have partner equity?In post 833, Flavor Leaf wrote: In all seriousness, Bingle/Dunn have partner equity imo.thomith could be a court jester
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You don't like the fact that they are pushing or you don't like exactly how they are pushing?In post 855, Dunnstral wrote:
For Flavor Leaf I don't like the way they pushed yesterday and now today. For AnimatedWiz I get the sense that they are playing back and trying to blend in while asking others their thoughts while occasionally trying to steer things towards an elimination on people pushing them.In post 853, Hu Tao wrote: How come?thomith could be a court jester
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They feel manipulative. Going after Gob yesterday and pushing Bingle and I today.-
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Town readers of wiz, naerys, Dunn. Talk me through those.
Then we can talk about the vanity votes after.-
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I wanted to explain this bit, it’s not some grand gambit but at least for n1 with the way I tied myself to FL I guaranteed I live through the night.In post 549, Thomith wrote:
Is this something you think you'd be able to explain tomorrow if we're both still alive?In post 546, RCEnigma wrote: It is, I’d have to explain the rationale behind it for it to make sense, but then it loses value so.
If FL is town and I die I slingshot FL and give him more agency to push his reads via my read on him. If he’s scum he couldn’t kill me without making himself look bad because scum FL would have been targeting me with the intention of boosting his reads but I wasn’t so townie that I would be a conventional n1. So it’s suspicious.
It works both ways as well, we would be deadlocked regardless of alignment.
As far as pushing FLs targets even if I thought he was scum. He touched on it yesterday, you don’t get scum!FL limmed day 1. You have to weaponize them against themselves. It’s a slow burn that only really gets expedited with a guilty but even then it’s a tough ask to catch scum!fl.-
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I feel I’m pushing Hu Tao more than Bingle here. Me being alive makes Bingle town more likely after their setup yesterday.In post 858, Dunnstral wrote: They feel manipulative. Going after Gob yesterday and pushing Bingle and I today.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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This still where you are with the flip?In post 577, Naerys wrote:
Updating this: Thom still solid town. Flavor is being flavor and i dont really have reason to suspect him at this moment.In post 350, Naerys wrote: Solid town: Thomith - solves, his analysis feels logical and well thought
Maybe town: Flavor - he is aloof, but observing
Bingle -laid back at the beginning, but later he feels like he is trying to sort people
Null: Gob - unreadable pink fluff filled with pink fluff
Plus bunch of people that need to post more -Hu, SirCakez, Cele
Scumlean: Roden - doesnt do much, just some empty sentences
Kyou: Slightly better than Roden, might replace some lurkers in the null reads tbh, i feel like scum is trying to stay in the shadows at this moment
I would love some read list from Bingle- could you please share some, when u are up to it?
Cakez i dont know so he is harder to grasp. I may need more time to get a solid read on this slot. Null for now
Hu Tao - could you write a RL please?
Cele- 505 and 508 are giving me few towny vibes
Gob-isnt being much helpful, so he could be scum, he is just hard to read for me
AWiz- feels town
Roden-shifted towards null
Dunn- idk, suspicious absence
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kyou-shoots straight into strong town from post 477 onwards, solid solving
Arguments against gob feel solid. Possible scum team gob-dunn-rce? if gob is town vca will be interesting
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Naerys -> SR -> Dunn -> SR -> Wiz -> idk I didn’t get to their recent reads or I skipped over it. But it’s still an interesting triangle.-
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Nvm found it, soIn post 523, AnimatedWiz wrote:: Thomith, KyoukoTown
: Hu Tao, Naerys, Flavor Leaf, RodenTownlean
: CeleblokiNull
: RCEnigma, gob, SirCakezScumlean
: Bingle, DunnstralScum
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Is it an interesting triangle because any three individual points form a triangle? Cause I’m not seeing a why to tie those three together.In post 863, RCEnigma wrote: Naerys -> SR -> Dunn -> SR -> Wiz -> idk I didn’t get to their recent reads or I skipped over it. But it’s still an interesting triangle."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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If gob got flipped through a doc claim with no scum input, I’d be pretty surprised.In post 865, Bingle wrote:
Is it an interesting triangle because any three individual points form a triangle? Cause I’m not seeing a why to tie those three together.In post 863, RCEnigma wrote: Naerys -> SR -> Dunn -> SR -> Wiz -> idk I didn’t get to their recent reads or I skipped over it. But it’s still an interesting triangle.
I’m town, fl town, kyouko flipped town, I’m taking FLs Roden read at face value as town.
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The hammer was fine-ish, other than that it stopped me from being able to post eod thoughts. I don’t find that to be sketch from Dunn, but I can understand your thought process wrt me/Dunn being a thing.In post 835, Flavor Leaf wrote: Dunnstral hammering the way they did looks like scum locking in the hammer before people would get PR scared."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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End of day
(7): Roden,gob, AnimatedWiz, Naerys, Flavor Leaf, RCEnigma, Dunnstralssbm_kyouko
SirCakez (2): Thomith, Hu Tao
RCEnigma (1): SirCakez
ssbm_kyouko (1): Celebloki
Flavor Leaf (1):gob
Roden (1): Bingle
Who was the counterwagon? Cakez? I think Wiz was the main counterwagon of Day 1.
1.05
(4): SirCakez, Bingle, Roden, Flavor Leafgob
AnimatedWiz (3):, Hu Tao, Dunnstralssbm_kyouko
Flavor Leaf (1):gob
Hu Tao (1): Naerys
RCEnigma (1): RCEnigma
Dunnstral (1): Thomith
(1): AnimatedWizssbm_kyouko
Not voting (1): Celebloki
Roden and I being on Gob for both of these, Roden never leaving, is pretty townie for them, imo. Like, I just don't see the purpose of going for Gob that way as scum. I won't use that defense for me, but there were much better pushes. It's confirmed to have been a lhf fade. The AnimatedWiz wagon looks bad here. It's a 'there's scum on the wagon, or Wiz is scum' kinda thing.
Gob wagon can have scum or not, i think Gob's the type that scum would for sure just let town try to misfade, which is why I think it's not impossible for either 1.05 or end of day to be all town.
That being said, I think there's only 1 max scum on Gob in 1.05. If there are 2, it doesn't make a lot of sense here that Gob wagon stayed as the main one, even after Bingle/Cakez moved away. And I already explained why it's kinda weird for Roden (and myself, but I digress) to stay on Gob that way.
Also, why is Cakez on RCEnigma over me?
End of day wagon has 1 scum in Dunnstral or Naerys, or no scum at all. I'm already town reading Naerys, but for completionist's sake. RCEnigma, idk, i just dont see this as scum.
Thomith and Hu Tao on SirCakez means there's likely at least a scum in that section, and the fact that overlaps with the Wiz one, I really do think we're living in a Hu Tao Scum world.
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Cakez and Dunnstral playing scum objective based, and I'll quote the post with my Hu Tao caseCHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Honestly, I’d be surprised at no scum on wagon exactly as much as I’d be surprised at a normal D1 wagon having no scum. A day one pr claim hammer seems likely to draw unwanted attention and so is probably a town move overall.In post 866, RCEnigma wrote:
If gob got flipped through a doc claim with no scum input, I’d be pretty surprised.In post 865, Bingle wrote:
Is it an interesting triangle because any three individual points form a triangle? Cause I’m not seeing a why to tie those three together.In post 863, RCEnigma wrote: Naerys -> SR -> Dunn -> SR -> Wiz -> idk I didn’t get to their recent reads or I skipped over it. But it’s still an interesting triangle.
I’m town, fl town, kyouko flipped town, I’m taking FLs Roden read at face value as town.
Naerys/Dunn/Wiz is left over on the wagon and highly likely to contain at least 1 scum and in that trio 2 are opposed to Dunn. I think it’s fairly interesting."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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In post 682, Flavor Leaf wrote: UNVOTE: Gob
Day got juicier.
Hu Tao TMI’ing Gob possibility tips the scale to where I think Gob is more likely to flip town than scum, whereas before the chance was more likely scum than town, which is always a good roll on Day 1.
Gob got White Knighted.
Fun thing about this is both Gob and Wiz were my candidates. It’s possible they are both town.
I don’t think I was hiding it very well, but I think Hu Tao is pretty obv scum here.
Not necessarily caring about their fade today because I think it’s just infinitely hard to fade someone like Hu Tao Scum on a Day 1, also in ways it’s not worth it sometimes.
But by their own admission, they were trying to ‘do nothing’ to get town read. This means they are actively trying to position themselves in a specific way in the game.
On top of this, when I stated they had done things already, they were salty because they thought they had ‘literally done nothing’. That reeks of scum being upset they got caught for wrong reasons.
Now the advocate for Vig on FL after I advocated for Cop on Hu Tao.
I would say bar a couple players, I am generally a solid town read player for most players. The difference is, I’m wanting Hu Tao checked, which if they are town, is very beneficial in the long run, especially towards someone who has been actively trying to become town read.
By their own admission, they’ve been ‘doing nothing’ on purpose to get town read, and that’s like the perfect investigative action onto a slot that’s in the background like that, and especially on a sneaky scum like her.
She advocates for a Vig on me, taking me out of the game.
That is a direct Threat Challenging of me. I want to town read Hu Tao if she’s town.
She wants me to die.
She doesn’t have to worry about reading me here.
It also helps guide a Vig off of scum team and onto a claimed Vanilla Townie.
If I am the only death, and ANYONE claims Vig, Hu Tao is scum here.
None of that maybe Vig targeted same player, maybe someone protected.
I have coasted so many games from a Vig claim, partner Vig claim, that I know how to set things up like that.
That is a potential crumb setup by Hu Tao in case they get Gunsmith guiltied they have that to fall back on.In post 685, Flavor Leaf wrote: And let me say, it’s not one of these that make Hu Tao scum, it is the collection of these together.
Individually, some of these could be townie even, but together, Hu Tao is a scum slot.In post 687, Flavor Leaf wrote:Celebloki
Thomith
Naerys
RCEnigma
Roden
Gob
AnimatedWiz
ssbm_kyouko
Dunnstral
Bingle
SirCakez
Hu Tao
Bout where I'm at. I think there's probably 1 scum in my top 2 tiers, and then 2 scum in my bottom 3. This is more doing pools rather than a tier list, like for instance, I can make a Bingle/Kyouko town case, but I am paranoid of Bingle. Like I have a hard time seeing Kyouko make that case on Gob as scum, however, the Kyouko/Hu Tao on AnimatedWiz earlier is hard to not see it as potential partner, however, this goes in Hu Tao favor if scum Tao/kyouko town.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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In post 830, Hu Tao wrote: Interesting night kill?In post 831, Hu Tao wrote: Oh did she claim doc?
these posts just dont sit right with me. The interesting night kill? looks so fake to me and i usually get pinged hard when Hu Tao's scum doing stuff like this.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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I think that’s at most two scum, and even then it’s a stretch. I’m down to hear a Hu Tao case though.In post 870, Flavor Leaf wrote: Cakez and Dunnstral playing scum objective based, and I'll quote the post with my Hu Tao case"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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