open 896: describing conker (game over)

[OopsieDaisy]

Also if anyone wants to read games of mine they're linked on my wiki page in my sig

[Afrayed Knott]

so you've been following him on voting for Jupiter, Afayeed, Meuh.

but you decided on his alignment as town off what he interacted with me in the last twenty four hours.

ok cool

I don't think dann is town, I don't think you and dann are red together

That makes no sense

What about it doesn't make sense?
I don't think Dann and Ari are exactly the red team

it reads to me that you don't think either are scum, so what is it? you think Ari is red or Dann is red or neither of them are red? and so my question

[Afrayed Knott]

Sorry I can't go into much detail, I'm in the middle of a panto rn

A member of the cast or there as audience? Which panto?

Snow White
Stage crew

nice I hope you have a good run

[Elements]

it reads to me that you don't think either are scum, so what is it? you think Ari is red or Dann is red or neither of them are red? and so my question

All I meant by that post was I'm ruling out them being red together
I'm not specifically town or scum read dann, nor Ari for that matter

[Afrayed Knott]

it reads to me that you don't think either are scum, so what is it? you think Ari is red or Dann is red or neither of them are red? and so my question

All I meant by that post was I'm ruling out them being red together
I'm not specifically town or scum read dann, nor Ari for that matter

ok got it, so why the vote on Ari, and the thought it was e-1? ok thats unfair, you can't count..

[Elements]

I like e-1 wagons

[Afrayed Knott]

I will bear that in mind..

[Aristeia]

UNVOTE:

[OopsieDaisy]

@Fire Do you have any opinions on the players in the small hood out of interest?

[Black]

I started a new job today so my activity during day time hours is going to plummet. I'll have to do all my catching up at night (central American time)

[OopsieDaisy]

I started a new job today so my activity during day time hours is going to plummet. I'll have to do all my catching up at night (central American time)

Hope the new job goes well

[Skygazer]

votecount 1.13

Aristeia (2) - Dannflor, Afrayed Knott
OopsieDaisy (1) - Elements
Elements (1) - OopsieDaisy
fireisredsir (1) - Black

not voting

(4) - Ydrasse, Meuh, fireisredsir, Aristeia

with nine alive, it takes five to give someone the plague. day one ends in (expired on 2023-12-20 15:30:00).

mod notes:

[Black]

I started a new job today so my activity during day time hours is going to plummet. I'll have to do all my catching up at night (central American time)

Hope the new job goes well

Thank you!!!

I'm on lunch break now but there isn't really much to talk about it seems

[OopsieDaisy]

Yeaa. I was hoping I'd wake up to laods of reactions based on the Ari/Dunn and Me/Elements interactions but it doesn't seem like people have been around or wanna comment.

[fireisredsir]

@Fire Do you have any opinions on the players in the small hood out of interest?

elements - initially thought they were the scummiest of the three, but their latest engagement with you i thought was much more towny than they had been previously. felt like they were proactively digging into your play and trying to sort, and there was just an energy behind it that felt like town


ydra - she's been fine. don't have a lot to say on her rn, can't call her solidly town at all but i think its more likely so far. waiting on what she says/does once she's back in thread


ari - probably scum i guess. i think her push on dann is uncharacteristic of town!her, i can't recall a time ive seen a push from her as town feel as forced and unconvincing. the "weakness" of the push isn't about her conviction in the read or how hard she's pushing, which she argued against in 688, but about the case itself being weak. it's possible that it is like a TvT miscommunication situation where they're talking past each other but it doesn't really feel that way to me, the misinterpretations seem intentional in order to continue to prop up the push

another point that i keep coming back to here is her posting in response to my suspicion of you, particularly 564 but also the posts surrounding it, reminded me SO MUCH of turing test where scum!ari was trying to convince me her buddies were not scum. it's hard to quantify exactly but the way she was talking to me set off alarm bells for me. ill admit i was teamsolving a little bit there and that factored into my read on you, but im trying not to get too tied up in that hypothetical

some example posts:

Spoiler: from turing test

Subject: Open 861: The Turing Test [game over]

bell - scum
kuti - scum
dann - town

Feeling kind of tempted to sheep fire becuz he was so kind to win Frenemies for me after I was tragically murdered at night by someone I never expected to kill me but I will feel sort of dumb if Dann is scum here >.>

like what do you actually expect Scum!Dann to do in this game with a weak team ?

the way I think about the scum team win condition is;

they all have to get through the gauntlet

eventually

like regardless of what the scum team is - the way they win the game is to get the town to flip the other person - which more or less means the scum players have to each pass through the gauntlet unless they win early, and it means the scum team necessarily must be revealed over time - similar to perpetual mylo except the scum have some extra agency in terms of getting to pick the gladiate.

The best way for the scum to do this is to set up associative pushes that look good on D1 so that as they are flipped, one flip begets another.

Like let's say someone like Bell who is pretty bad at scum[no offense Bell] is on the scum team.

The scum team would necessarily see Bell as somewhat of a liability, he basically is unable to replicate his town!meta when he's scum, he's just kind of a sitting duck.

So the best way to cash that liability into something good for the scum team is to push him D1, cash him in for towncred early - Bell even had the early vote on Kitty to establish distancing that way so that if Bell goes down Kitty gets somewhat reflected Towncred.

It feels like the whole bus Bell for Cred plan didn't work out for Dann because Bell wasn't as obvscum as people required for him to actually go down and eventually kitty became more or less inevitable.

Once Kitty went down and scored a point for town, the calculus regarding Bell kind of changes - it's not really viable to bus him at that point because going down 2-0 is basically a death sentence, so the scum have to get him through the gauntlet

somehow

.

There's two ways Bell/Dann!scum can go as a team.

Bell first and then Dann

or Dann first and then Bell.


It feels incredibly hard for Bell -> Dann to work out for the scum because it would look very strange for Dann to suddenly flip his read of Bell on a dime, can he get away with readflipping, getting Bell home and then escape intact himself? I think that's very tricky for him to do. Remember he has to be able to navigate that readflip without anything from Bell

and

survive with enough towncred to get himself out safely.

Otherwise he's stuck double-bussing and playing from 0-2 down which is kind of difficult even against a town that's flipping coins atp.

Dann flipping first however would generate towncred for Bell because it creates distance since Dann was trying to yeet Bell on D1. It's a much cleaner transition for the scum team and I think it just makes sense strategically as a play than the other way around.

Now in the Town!Dann Scum!Bell world; you'd have Bell deciding to hardbus Kitty d1, and then hardbus Kuti d2 and it feels super ~throwy~ ? like the play is so bad for scum I just can't see scum Bell deciding to play that way.

so scum bell is repelling us off the scum wagon by acting as a town repellent

thats so big brain though

[OopsieDaisy]

Is there a reason your vote isn't on Ari then, if you think she's probably scum?

[Aristeia]

I don't think I've misinterpreted anything and I don't really care atp anymore

[Dannflor]

VOTE: black

[Dannflor]

sorry you rolled scum again

[Black]

I'm town, but sure fade me if you want. I don't really even have time for Mafia now

[Black]

Actually don't fade me. I have a better idea

[Dannflor]

ok

[Dannflor]

it's not personal i just think you are the most likely candidate for an ari partner as of right now

[Dannflor]

also i think it's kind of weird how much you've avoided really engaging with me vs. Ari despite ostensibly hard town reading both of us

[Skygazer]

replacing Black