open 896: describing conker (game over)

[shiki]

will do so shortly on my way home now

[Elements]

still need to look at elements games to get better thought there as my game with scum!elements was extremely far from this one but a long time ago dunno if representative

Which game was it?

[shiki]

still need to look at elements games to get better thought there as my game with scum!elements was extremely far from this one but a long time ago dunno if representative

Which game was it?

isis’s gacha game

[Elements]

Oh wow that was a while ago

[shiki]

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[shiki]

not a lot of reason for scum!ydrasse to share hedged townread of me - like because would as town not particularly strong when could just not positioning wise

possibly also applies to fireisredsir?

it's like, if elements/dannflor are town then mafia would probably think they had to push this over themselves to get it to go (which is maybe meuh? or maybe scums would just be hoping really hard they could just watch and time would do the work for them? or mayyybe scums have been absent? hm) and in theory scums would very much want it to go because miselim in big neighbourhood gets rid of me etc

so like folks with an opportunity to do so who would also be heavily incentivized to do so as scums not doing so is somewhat towny yeah?

[shiki]

not a lot of reason for scum!ydrasse to share hedged townread of me - like because would as town not particularly strong when could just not positioning wise

possibly also applies to fireisredsir?

it's like, if elements/dannflor are town then mafia would probably think they had to push this over themselves to get it to go (which is maybe meuh? or maybe scums would just be hoping really hard they could just watch and time would do the work for them? or mayyybe scums have been absent? hm) and in theory scums would very much want it to go because miselim in big neighbourhood gets rid of me etc

so like folks with an opportunity to do so who would also be heavily incentivized to do so as scums not doing so is somewhat towny yeah?

and it's like, really really easy to write defensible reasons for pushing me they both would easily be able to pull from greatest hits

so angle for them as scum would just be that they're scums waiting and willing to jump on thus the hedging but not doing so yet for towncred

which maybe? like they aren't really giving direction asking for help pushing elsewhere so possible

[shiki]

okay my scum!elements sample definitely non-representative based on recent scumgames

though approach definitely feels more like, lived in, here than in those games at brief glance

like committed to the bit interactions have more momentum and such

[shiki]

or mayyybe scums have been absent?

how likely this? just complete hands off whole day more or less

it's tough to see i guess because none of the small group would go small group and send afrayed knott big group probably?

so afrayed knott kinda by split town?

like hard to see the plan being afrayed knott just winning by surviving for any of the small groupers

and everyone been hands off while dannflor/elements push more or less everyone at some point or another so none of scums providing any movement whatsoever somewhat unlikely because risky to not push back on

so maybe that's what aristeia was doing re:dannflor? possibly? or scums not scared because one or both of those providing all of the pressure are a scums, also possible

[shiki]

wait actually!!!!

nah it's so hard for me to see most of you believing that a scumteam of jupiter/aristeia or jupiter/ydrasse or jupiter/elements

sent jupiter to the large neighbourhood

[shiki]

@dannflor @elements @meuh

like do you really believe that's what happened here? and if so like, ...why?

and if not then hey let's actually find the scums if you're town yeah?

[shiki]

like what would scum plan have been? (and if you do think it possible then should apply same plan to afrayed knott probably and look to see if any evidence of anyone enacting it since i assume it would be very similar)

[Elements]

wait actually!!!!

nah it's so hard for me to see most of you believing that a scumteam of jupiter/aristeia or jupiter/ydrasse or jupiter/elements

sent jupiter to the large neighbourhood

It's hard for you to see your slot being put in the big hood if you were red?
Forgive me for thinking you might be a tad biased on that one

[Elements]

like what would scum plan have been?

The red team sometimes don't have a plan

[shiki]

wait actually!!!!

nah it's so hard for me to see most of you believing that a scumteam of jupiter/aristeia or jupiter/ydrasse or jupiter/elements

sent jupiter to the large neighbourhood

It's hard for you to see your slot being put in the big hood if you were red?
Forgive me for thinking you might be a tad biased on that one

of course i am biased i am asking

what do you think scum plan would have been there? like it seems so strange to me that you think a very good scum player like aristeia or ydrasse would have sent jupiter to the big neighbourhood

[shiki]

c'mon obviously aristeia or ydrasse would have some semblance of a plan

like maybe you wouldn't if you're the scums? i don't know really but they surely would have one beyond 'press random buttons'

[shiki]

idk there is some aristeia/afrayed knott equity and maybe your 'elim in the big neighbourhood' stance could in theory be because of afrayed knott partner and positioning around that but idk would still be kinda hm

like definitely not a first thought sort of approach

[shiki]

c'mon obviously aristeia or ydrasse would have some semblance of a plan

like maybe you wouldn't if you're the scums? i don't know really but they surely would have one beyond 'press random buttons'

right from your point of view you're not the scums

so why would aristeia or ydrasse have sent jupiter to the big neighbourhood? and did you see any evidence of them playing around that fact? have either of those players interactions with me felt partnered to you?

like you're still here just pushing me and seemingly trying to refute the counterpoints i make without actually analyzing anything

[Elements]

i see shiki trying to convince elements not to vote shiki

i don't really see shiki trying to sort elements

I think this is still true

[shiki]

i see shiki trying to convince elements not to vote shiki

i don't really see shiki trying to sort elements

I think this is still true

it's both

[shiki]

you're seemingly more likely scum to me the more you just close your eyes and refuse to look at things

[shiki]

like there are towny things i have pointed out but that to me like i don't get it

like you won't even consider it and there's no way that you're so sure you're right that it's not worth looking at

[shiki]

like why would town you ever be that confident in this situation that you won't even think about the worlds and the fact that they simply do not make any sense

[Elements]

You've been in the game 24 hours and have the second most posts yet off the top of my head I can think of any stances you've taken

[shiki]

is it just unwillingness? are you generally unwilling to consider things presented by players you scumread?