Eminence in Shadow: Season 1 [Game Over]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not really interesting in playing semantic word games with you

I'm trying to figure out what the hell your actual read is

so far its all circular nonsense that makes little sense to me

Pooky/STD/PP are mafia because they vote as a unit - ???
Pooky/STD/PP are mafia because they are not townie - ???
Pooky/STD/PP are mafia because I don't know what the mafia would be doing if they aren't mafia ???

Like none of this helps me understand your thought process because frankly there is no thought process

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like at least Dunnstral just made it simple and said "I think pooky is mafia because their posting is "weak" which is p simple and to the point.

you're doing some weird narrative weaving that I struggle to even understand.

[Klick]

I've tried to think 'what are the scumteam doing' and the most likely answer I've come up with involves scum in you three

We can spend ages coming up with hypotheticals that act as alternative logic to any given claim in Mafia

But I'm fairly happy with my reasoning, especially since your chosen response to it is to search for a potential alternative to deconstruct the reasoning

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

here let me demonstrate an actual read for you;

I think PenguinPower is town because he's just following me around like he expects me to townread him.

I have a pretty strong track record of reading him correctly pretty much every game I've ever played with him without fail so the way he's playing with pretty much no regard for making himself look good and just chilling while following me around feels pretty townie to me. I think he's not worried about being pushed or limmed this game because I'm alive and he expects me to just veto any wagon on him. This thought process only makes sense for him to have if he's town, if he's mafia I'd expect him to actually make some kind of effort.

This is what I mean by a thought process.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've tried to think 'what are the scumteam doing' and the most likely answer I've come up with involves scum in you three

We can spend ages coming up with hypotheticals that act as alternative logic to any given claim in Mafia

But I'm fairly happy with my reasoning, especially since your chosen response to it is to search for a potential alternative to deconstruct the reasoning

sure why is the most likely answer that there is mafia in me/STD/pengy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I do love how you went from "I can't think of any alternatives" to "this is the most likely scenario and we can think of an infinite number of alternative hypotheticals"

[Klick]

I do love how you went from "

I can't think of any alternatives

" to "this is the most likely scenario and we can think of an infinite number of alternative hypotheticals"

[citation needed]

I forgot that I'm not supposed to talk to the scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

idk what else scum is intentionally doing at all if they're not involved there

[Klick]

The answer would be that they're not intentionally doing anything

[Klick]

here let me demonstrate an actual read for you;

I think PenguinPower is town because he's just following me around like he expects me to townread him.

I have a pretty strong track record of reading him correctly pretty much every game I've ever played with him without fail so the way he's playing with pretty much no regard for making himself look good and just chilling while following me around feels pretty townie to me. I think he's not worried about being pushed or limmed this game because I'm alive and he expects me to just veto any wagon on him. This thought process only makes sense for him to have if he's town, if he's mafia I'd expect him to actually make some kind of effort.

This is what I mean by a thought process.

PenguinPower does not, to my knowledge, intentionally show more effort as scum

This is pretty consistently his playstyle regardless of alignment

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've tried to think 'what are the scumteam doing' and the most likely answer I've come up with involves scum in you three

We can spend ages coming up with hypotheticals that act as alternative logic to any given claim in Mafia

But I'm fairly happy with my reasoning, especially since your chosen response to it is to search for a potential alternative to deconstruct the reasoning

sure why is the most likely answer that there is mafia in me/STD/pengy

r u going to answer this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

here let me demonstrate an actual read for you;

I think PenguinPower is town because he's just following me around like he expects me to townread him.

I have a pretty strong track record of reading him correctly pretty much every game I've ever played with him without fail so the way he's playing with pretty much no regard for making himself look good and just chilling while following me around feels pretty townie to me. I think he's not worried about being pushed or limmed this game because I'm alive and he expects me to just veto any wagon on him. This thought process only makes sense for him to have if he's town, if he's mafia I'd expect him to actually make some kind of effort.

This is what I mean by a thought process.

PenguinPower does not, to my knowledge, intentionally show more effort as scum

This is pretty consistently his playstyle regardless of alignment

i didn't say more effort, I said he'd at least try to look like he's doing something instead of just following me around

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The answer would be that they're not intentionally doing anything

I am providing you with your citations not asking you a question

[Save The Dragons]

How does people voting as a block equate to there must be mafia in those people

[Big Chungus Gaming]

oh. luka might be town xd

[Save The Dragons]

I like SirCakez this game.

VOTE: jjh

VOTE: jjh

there's definitely scum in here regardless of jjh alignment imo, this wagon is terrible

this take

is bad

It's hard for me to differentiate between your slot and PenguinPower between players who are doing pretty much nothing except voting low hanging slots. I think the both of you are way better votes than jjh right now - I don't like voting for slots that are clearly absent, especially because there's nothing to actually point towards jjh being mafia.

I sort of rambled there but my point is your play is lame right now and SirCakez is right.

Disappointing

Lame doesn't equal scum

[Alisae]

I should be fairly active tonight

Ali you're gonna be displeased but I feel confident enough in T3-town

as long as you're not underestimating the guy

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: ssbm kyouko

This is scum

[Alisae]

Due to factors that are out of my control I am going to be extremely low efforting and I will in fact be doing the bare minimum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like our conversation has been;

Klick: I think there's mafia in Pooky/STD/PP because I don't know what the mafia would be doing if they weren't in that group - 669
Pooky: ok then what would the mafia be doing if Pooky/STD/PP are all town? - 670
Klick: Idk - 671
Pooky: list of possible scenarios - 672
Klick: I have no reason to care about possible scenarios - 673
Pooky: well if you dont think of any then how did you arrive at 669? - 674
Klick: well there are many alternatives but the most LIKELY scenario is that one of you three are scum. - 677

this is just moving your goalposts around, I don't understand what your underling logical basis is.

It's fine if you don't have one just say that so I don't have to ask you eleven times for something that's not there.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: ssbm kyouko

This is scum

Spoiler:

[Alisae]

also please don't vote off jjh until he gets to play the game.

I'll at least check the thread once a day.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: ssbm kyouko

gotta shamelessly bounce to the next target

[ssbm_Kyouko]

T3 - What do you think of 504?

I thought that there was a chance you could be disingenuous scum but I buy your explanation

Subject: Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

wow klick not gonna even bother asking ME about my petapan fanboy townread.
Rude af

Klick honorary scum.

If you can convince me petapan is town I'm also happy to hear it!
The other fire has a way of speaking to my soul though

Here's Klick using the same language as town in a past game btw

What do you think my explanation was? Are you talking about 495?

Yes.

I was under the impression that you were saying "Klick has a scum mindset because he said 'convince me' rather than 'explain to me'"
I thought this was a bad read, and perhaps disingenuous, but I buy your explanation of "I've seen that phrasing be used many times, but I can't say with confidence it's from both alignments" (or something to that effect)

that's not what I meant at all - I don't think he's scum for the wording, I don't doubt he could use those words as either alignment. In the game you linked, he's been playing from the start.

My point is, one of the first things he did on replacing in, was ask to be convinced that the leading wagon is on scum. This makes sense when the VC is more contentious (think competing E-2 wagons), when the game is longer, and reading a lot of pages will be time-consuming, or when the deadline is shorter, and there isn't enough time to read.

None of that applied here which is why I thought it was scummy. What bugs me maybe even more though is your defense of Klick. I dont know why you're first assuming my read is based on Klick's verbiage, and then why you decided to pull meta on Klick to support town!Klick when as far as I can tell you haven't expressed a TR on me (wanting to steer your TRs the right direction) or Klick(wanting today defend your TRs). I'm thinking there's a possibility that my playstyle is being discussed in the scum PT and I'm being targeted for pocketing, which would mean someone on the scumteam is very familiar with me. That brings Gamma and Koba to my mind right off the bat

I don't like this post, specifically the last parts where you theorize mafia are playing around you. It feels more like building a narrative than having real thoughts to me

I think I'm pretty well known to have aggressive pushes and not be as liable to sheep as most players are - the type of player that is easy to play around as scum by just letting me have free reign. I think it's very likely that more than just Gamma and Koba know this much about me. As I said before, there's no reasonable indication that my problem with Klick was his verbiage and I find it very suspicious that T3 arrived at that conclusion. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that someone has told T3 about something very specific about my playstyle that only a couple of players in this list should know about, and T3 is not one of them.

T3 was wrong, but he was wrong in a way where a lot of the times, with me, he might have been right. In this instance it didn't make sense to read my post that way, so I think he was predisposed to read it that way for some outside reason.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like your reaction feels so tailor-made to me, and it's also totally unprompted, it just feels too perfect to be a coincidence.

Why are you voting STD instead of any of those names you mentioned?

because what I said is whack and nobody is going to listen