Eminence in Shadow: Season 1 [Game Over]

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I like SirCakez this game.

VOTE: jjh

VOTE: jjh

there's definitely scum in here regardless of jjh alignment imo, this wagon is terrible

this take

is bad

It's hard for me to differentiate between your slot and PenguinPower between players who are doing pretty much nothing except voting low hanging slots. I think the both of you are way better votes than jjh right now - I don't like voting for slots that are clearly absent, especially because there's nothing to actually point towards jjh being mafia.

I sort of rambled there but my point is your play is lame right now and SirCakez is right.

ah fuck is this a "same" check in a dunn scum world?

they might both be town??

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Day 1 - Our Story Begins
Vote Count 1.05

Sir Cakez [4][E-5] - PookytheMagicalBear, Penguinpower, Save The Dragons, Alisae,
PookytheMagicalBear [2][E-7]- SirCakez, Cephrir
Klick [2][E-7] - ssbm_Kyouko, Sakura Hana,
Sakura Hana - [1][E-8]- KawaiiKame,
KawaiiKame [1][E-8]-- Gamma Emerald,
Penguinpower [1][E-8] - Dunnstral,
Dunnstral -[1][E-8]- Klick
Cephrir [1][E-8] - jjh927
jjh927 [1][-E8] - Big Chungus Gaming ,
Save the Dragons [1][E-8] Whemestar
Gamma Emerald - [1][E-8] - Luka

Lurking in Shadows (Not Voting - 1) : T3

Day 1 - Our Story Begins
Vote Count 1.06

jjh927 [5][-E4] - Big Chungus Gaming , Klick, PookytheMagicalBear, Penguinpower, Save The Dragons,
Big Chungus Gaming -[2][E-7]-T3, Cephrir
PookytheMagicalBear [1][E-8]- SirCakez
Sakura Hana - [1][E-8]- KawaiiKame,
KawaiiKame [1][E-8]-- Gamma Emerald,
Penguinpower [1][E-8] - Dunnstral,
Cephrir [1][E-8] - jjh927
Sir Cakez [1][E-8] - Alisae,
Save the Dragons [1][E-8] ssbm_Kyouko,
Gamma Emerald - [1][E-8] - Luka,
Klick - [1][E-8] - Whemestar

Lurking in Shadows (Not Voting - 1) : Sakura Hana,

So the Cakez wagon did in fact have no teeth, and the {Pooky/Penguin/Dragons} trio literally in order followed each other from the Cakez wagon to the jjh wagon

you're literally just taking snapshots in time without looking at the context of what actually happened.

I voted for Cakez - then BCG/PP/STD/Sakura/Alisae followed me on the same day to put Cakez at E-3.

cakez re-enters thread at 327 and asks why is pooky not at e-1 which is ? dunnstral asks him whats the reason for suspecting pooky immediately 6m to try to get an answer from cakeboi. Cakes answer is 333 which is basically not answering the question at all.

I dunno if thats just cakez being his usual scummy self or scum cakez being put on the spot by dunn and not having a good answer but I certainly dont see a "train of thought". he then says some shit about me stretching at a gum factory and claiming the wagon on him is garbage which I can see him doing as either alignment.

now compare this to Cakez/Me last game together where we were town/town this is his iso;

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=83&t=91473&user_select%5B%5D=26092

yea he says some shit about me but he doesnt really take the joke too far. he's got nuanced thoughts about ydrasse and votes her and is actively doing things. he even says he thinks he shouldnt push me or SR me because if I'm scum i'll just be obnoxious to him and it'll be difficult. Which is a pretty reasonable thing to believe about me and one of the reasons I ended up TRing him in this game because his thoughts made sense.

here in this game I have no idea what he's doing. wagoning him didn't really give me a readable response so I moved on and I'm giving him space to do his own thing because I think voting him is just going to cause him to become more intractable/hostile and that's not really useful in any way.

cakez/dunn difference check

also the STD vote for only for 5 minutes, I was scammed during my research. fucked up.

was while JJH was leading by a mile, with the context that jjh may just be town here now..... i'll just say that is interesting.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Sakura Hana
T3
Whemestar
Dunnstral
SirCakez
Penguinpower
Cephrir
jjh927
Gamma Emerald
KawaiiKame
Save the Dragons
Luka
Duelist Kage


this is going to be hilariously wrong and im going to have a completely different list by EoD but if i were a gamer(which I am) this is what I would submit as a solve right now

oh wait is this koba

If you're Koba then you're completely town for 103 lol

ok nvm stash the t3/dunn tmi scum theory, this is actually completely natural. (doesnt change much for dunn but makes the TMI theory kyouko presented kinda bunk)

[Big Chungus Gaming]

reaching conclusions pooky did like 10 pages ago is somewhat irking tbh lmao

[Big Chungus Gaming]

where i think theres 0 mafia
[ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Whemestar
Sakura Hana
KawaiiKame
Luka
Klick]

paranoid/not there yet
[T3
Gamma Emerald
jjh927]

all mafia here tbh tbh
[Save the Dragons
Penguinpower
SirCakez
Cephrir
Dunnstral]

the top tier i think should be where all the PR shots go fwiw, even if you were to skip me

[Big Chungus Gaming]

that last one is more roughly ordered rather than being obstinate about ordering bc it was more about highlighting the PoE line and creating our box

[Klick]

What separates jjh and Gamma from bottom tier

[Big Chungus Gaming]

What separates jjh and Gamma from bottom tier

significant plausibility of those slots being town

[Dunnstral]

What separates jjh and Gamma from bottom tier

Neither of them are voting for him

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: Big Chungus Gaming

in context to what I personally perceive as "waking up" and improving my posting and knowing your level of play - I find this vote bizarre for a town POV - although I see some level of reasoning plausible, I find me dropping you from my townreads justified.

because from a scum POV, this is a grab to make sure to keep me viable in reaction to me picking up my behavior.

is PP town now btw? because I think - a more logical point to go towards in your shoes, at least to me if I believed your reads as they were, I would be wanting to push PP here and see how other slots act. I know better than to project my own thought process

dunn, you too scared to interact with my process? you and ceph gonna hide out in audacity until you inevitably both get PoEd to death by every town slot?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

What separates jjh and Gamma from bottom tier

Neither of them are voting for him

trying to use correlation to avoid critical analysis is cute.

the "paint weird things as scummy" shtick doesn't work on me.

i started making better posts and its clear from your reaction that you are flatlining due to a rug being pulled from under you.

gl tho <3

[Big Chungus Gaming]

If powers that Cid hands out is based on flavor, that might do something. Though that could also tip off mafia. Not sure if there's really a reason to flavor claim anyway, as Cid should pick whoever they think is town rather than guessing at powers behind specific flavor claims.

Nevermind the above, I am reading the game mechanics now and it seems flavor won't help. Plus that exposes Cid I guess.

Last Will: Players can leave a message that will be revealed upon their death. This will be posted on death and can contain anything as long as it doesn't break site rules. [To Clarify you must pm the mod your last will PRIOR to your death]

This could change the way investigative roles play in this game; put results in your will and don't claim inno results

I have often found that players' particular word choices are strange and done meta-dives where I check if a player normally uses those words. It feels like you, T3, were familiar with that, and you delivered the evidence of town!Klick to me unprompted, and in a manner that I would normally find Klick to be town for myself if this particular SR on Klick was based on his verbiage. I do not think you should have that level of familiarity with my play, which makes me think that you are in a PT with someone that advised you on my meta. Of this playerlist, that someone is almost certainly one of Gamma or Koba, or maybe Dunnstral.

Setting aside how likely this is to be T3 gaining info rather than a coincidence where you are jumping to conclusions, this seems like something I would be unlikely to do. Perhaps if you look at how I play in the mafia threads I have been a part of, you would agree:

viewtopic.php?t=91474
viewtopic.php?t=90969
viewtopic.php?t=90850

I focus on mech, what we should be claiming, potential town power roles, how we look if specific players die at night. I don't talk about player meta in the mafia pt at all.

was reading to look at plausible pairings more closely from dunns end, this was an extremely cute coincidence. would not bin this as conclusive myself but i know others would

i think dunn actually, unless they were in bus mode due to the lack of play from PP, spew PP town if they flip red - as well as other really cute spew points in their ISO where there are fairly contrived points made.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

[cephrir, cakez, dunn, STD] ??

[Big Chungus Gaming]

[cephrir, cakez, dunn, STD] ??

@pooky analysis

[WhemeStar]

Dunn is town unfort

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Dunn is town unfort

if theyre town, they need to start being honest about their thought process and not leave it to ambiguity what side theyre playing for when presented with the truth of their play from a town POV, which in this case is taking shortcuts to avoid sorting the entire playerlist



a glance through their games though I think does reveal some level of town plausibility in that dunn has a weakness of being extremely reliant on mechs being present and this game, as myself I believed too, seemed to be advertised as role madness in a way, and not having mechs to really interact with, dunn drowns regardless of alignment and is unable to sort or fake sort people properly.

like deadass its funny reading thru dunns games and seeing like 90% of these ISOs are all talking about mech, which im surprised i never picked up on because dunn also had good read analysis that I guess was reliant on said mech reading. their social reads in the early games being notably pretty bad, fmpov that being confirmed by their weird confident push on myself and to a certain extent, kyouko. (if you are town dunn, this is just honesty in if you want to see why you went wrong this game at this point - granted days not over yet, the process doesnt matter if you get there in the end)

regardless we can move up the list VOTE: sircakez

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Dunn is town unfort

if theyre town, they need to start being honest about their thought process and not leave it to ambiguity what side theyre playing for when presented with the truth of their play from a town POV, which in this case is taking shortcuts to avoid sorting the entire playerlist



a glance through their games though I think does reveal some level of town plausibility in that dunn has a weakness of being extremely reliant on mechs being present and this game, as myself I believed too, seemed to be advertised as role madness in a way, and not having mechs to really interact with, dunn drowns regardless of alignment and is unable to sort or fake sort people properly.

like deadass its funny reading thru dunns games and seeing like 90% of these ISOs are all talking about mech, which im surprised i never picked up on because dunn also had good read analysis that I guess was reliant on said mech reading. their social reads in the early games being notably pretty bad, fmpov that being confirmed by their weird confident push on myself and to a certain extent, kyouko. (if you are town dunn, this is just honesty in if you want to see why you went wrong this game at this point - granted days not over yet, the process doesnt matter if you get there in the end)

regardless we can move up the list VOTE: sircakez

Subject: Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

The parity cop is scum

Yeah Ydrasse is probably scum.

This is strictly their scum meta. They open up strong and interact with people to leave a good impression, but as the game goes on they taper off and have difficulty contributing to actual content, or doing anything beyond looking good on tone early on.

Why are they voting for malcolm right now? Why did they vote for me? Why are we letting them get away with that?

I get we're not going to elim them based on their claim today but it should be kept in mind for sure

in fact, dunn's push on me resembles how he erroneously pushed ydrasse in this game and displays the same faulty pitfalls

[Klick]

I lean towards your sort on Dunn coming from genuinely wanting to figure out his alignment fwiw.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sakura feels the most naturally town to me with her questions/playstyle, I really like this,
In post 572, Sakura Hana wrote:
Either way, i'm still in my belief that unless you're really skilled at lying your analysis as town is gonna be a lot better than your analysis as scum. I have seen nothing to disprove this.

I want to focus in on who is and isn't lying/who has the greatest potential to lie.

I fear T3 has the greatest potential to lie, this is why I'm voting him

Is this a thing you’ve done before? What’s the success rate at catching scum with it?

This is new, inspired by Sakura

Your take on 568 is downright concerning though

Do you actually believe that

yeah I have a feeling about Kawaii’s T3 read

What feeling do you have?

It reads awkward and forced. Saying “this person has the greatest chance to lie” just, doesn’t seem like a realistic read; it’s either a wild paranoia thought or a more normal idea that devolved, that bring that he wiuld have the best chance to get away with it.

[Gamma Emerald]

[cephrir, cakez, dunn, STD] ??

@pooky analysis

[Save The Dragons]

@BCG - cephrir is town
@Cephrir - BCG is town

hope this helps

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: dunnstral

[ssbm_Kyouko]

i think the fact that absolutely no1 wants to help me vote dunnstral means he's just mafia

This doesnt make sense I dont think

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Big Chungus Gaming

in context to what I personally perceive as "waking up" and improving my posting and knowing your level of play - I find this vote bizarre for a town POV - although I see some level of reasoning plausible, I find me dropping you from my townreads justified.

because from a scum POV, this is a grab to make sure to keep me viable in reaction to me picking up my behavior.

is PP town now btw? because I think - a more logical point to go towards in your shoes, at least to me if I believed your reads as they were, I would be wanting to push PP here and see how other slots act. I know better than to project my own thought process

everything is "i find this" and not "this is"

[Cephrir]

where i think theres 0 mafia
[ssbm_Kyouko
pookythemagicalbear
Alisae
Whemestar
Sakura Hana
KawaiiKame
Luka
Klick]

paranoid/not there yet
[T3
Gamma Emerald
jjh927]

all mafia here tbh tbh
[Save the Dragons
Penguinpower
SirCakez
Cephrir
Dunnstral]

the top tier i think should be where all the PR shots go fwiw, even if you were to skip me

ive almost made it to the bottom! dunnstral can you fake townread bcg so i can make it to the bottom please