In post 1319, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I don’t think you have the exact right picture but I’ll let it slide
What is the exact right picture? How should I see it differently?
Seeing Alisae as potential scum pushing you seems secondary to your hatred of her seeing you in bad faith.
Is this how I should see it?
I’m saying I don’t think zero tolerance for weak reads is apt
I’m going to chastise someone for any form of read on me that I think allows scum to skate by, which I predominantly see in scumreads
Alisae’s read on me as it stands is a zero-responsibility read because it has no bearing on anything I have actually done, instead using what others have done as a shortcut. So it’s a double-whammy of itself being a “scum skating by” type of read and one that allows scum to paint the picture they want if Alisae is town.
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“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
In post 1319, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I don’t think you have the exact right picture but I’ll let it slide
What is the exact right picture? How should I see it differently?
Seeing Alisae as potential scum pushing you seems secondary to your hatred of her seeing you in bad faith.
Is this how I should see it?
I’m saying I don’t think zero tolerance for weak reads is apt
I’m going to chastise someone for any form of read on me that I think allows scum to skate by, which I predominantly see in scumreads
Alisae’s read on me as it stands is a zero-responsibility read because it has no bearing on anything I have actually done, instead using what others have done as a shortcut. So it’s a double-whammy of itself being a “scum skating by” type of read and one that allows scum to paint the picture they want if Alisae is town.
That's what I meant by weak reads in context, outsourcing your read to the opinions of others
I gave Alisae the benefit of the doubt since she prefaced you not being townread by players = you're scum with saying she needs to read you. Saw it as an opinion prior to diving deep instead of a malicious attack on you. I see how scum would paint you in a bad light with this tho.
In post 1257, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1113, KawaiiKame wrote:
This is new, inspired by Sakura
How did anything i say inspire you to reach that conclusion?
In post 566, Sakura Hana wrote:
Don't you have it backwards? I imagine people have better analysis as town than as scum in general, since as scum they have to lie while as town they are genuinely analyzing things.
In post 572, Sakura Hana wrote:
Either way, i'm still in my belief that unless you're really skilled at lying your analysis as town is gonna be a lot better than your analysis as scum. I have seen nothing to disprove this.
If someone lies/is skilled at lying then they have the highest potential to be mafia, your words inspired this conclusion.
???
Someone's ability to lie doesn't influence their odds of pulling a red Role PM with most moderators
In post 1284, Sakura Hana wrote:
I specially dislike how after BCG makes a long post your immediate reaction is "They arent gonna be eliminated because of long post", instead of engaging with their logic, if there's anything to scumread about it.
This observation is on point, Cephrir not engaging with their logic is concerning
In post 1257, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1113, KawaiiKame wrote:
This is new, inspired by Sakura
How did anything i say inspire you to reach that conclusion?
In post 566, Sakura Hana wrote:
Don't you have it backwards? I imagine people have better analysis as town than as scum in general, since as scum they have to lie while as town they are genuinely analyzing things.
In post 572, Sakura Hana wrote:
Either way, i'm still in my belief that unless you're really skilled at lying your analysis as town is gonna be a lot better than your analysis as scum. I have seen nothing to disprove this.
If someone lies/is skilled at lying then they have the highest potential to be mafia, your words inspired this conclusion.
???
Someone's ability to lie doesn't influence their odds of pulling a red Role PM with most moderators
I'm saying someone who lies has a higher chance of being mafia
Someone who lies well is the most dangerous as mafia, so we need to eliminate good liars in case they are mafia
In post 1325, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I’m going to chastise someone for any form of read on me that I think allows scum to skate by, which I predominantly see in scumreads
Alisae’s read on me as it stands is a zero-responsibility read because it has no bearing on anything I have actually done, instead using what others have done as a shortcut. So it’s a double-whammy of itself being a “scum skating by” type of read and one that allows scum to paint the picture they want if Alisae is town.
Isnt this what you did here tho?:
In post 1220, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: cephrir
I feel like this is a decently scumread player with little motion to actually start anything there, I’m changing that
In post 1257, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1113, KawaiiKame wrote:
This is new, inspired by Sakura
How did anything i say inspire you to reach that conclusion?
In post 566, Sakura Hana wrote:
Don't you have it backwards? I imagine people have better analysis as town than as scum in general, since as scum they have to lie while as town they are genuinely analyzing things.
In post 572, Sakura Hana wrote:
Either way, i'm still in my belief that unless you're really skilled at lying your analysis as town is gonna be a lot better than your analysis as scum. I have seen nothing to disprove this.
If someone lies/is skilled at lying then they have the highest potential to be mafia, your words inspired this conclusion.
???
Someone's ability to lie doesn't influence their odds of pulling a red Role PM with most moderators
I'm saying someone who lies has a higher chance of being mafia
Someone who lies well is the most dangerous as mafia, so we need to eliminate good liars in case they are mafia
This is BS, It's not about eliminating the player with the greatest ability to lie, it's about eliminating the player who is lying, and even that it's just oversimplifying the game as it's not as easy as that. Something like this will lead you to want to eliminate the same player in every game just because they are good at lying, instead of... because of their actual alignment.
In post 1325, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I’m going to chastise someone for any form of read on me that I think allows scum to skate by, which I predominantly see in scumreads
Alisae’s read on me as it stands is a zero-responsibility read because it has no bearing on anything I have actually done, instead using what others have done as a shortcut. So it’s a double-whammy of itself being a “scum skating by” type of read and one that allows scum to paint the picture they want if Alisae is town.
Isnt this what you did here tho?:
In post 1220, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: cephrir
I feel like this is a decently scumread player with little motion to actually start anything there, I’m changing that
smh
I would hope the differences would be self evident, but to explain part of it, my read is actually an expression of a gamestate situation that I think deserved resolving. Alisae’s is merely a meta platitude.
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
In post 1257, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1113, KawaiiKame wrote:
This is new, inspired by Sakura
How did anything i say inspire you to reach that conclusion?
In post 566, Sakura Hana wrote:
Don't you have it backwards? I imagine people have better analysis as town than as scum in general, since as scum they have to lie while as town they are genuinely analyzing things.
In post 572, Sakura Hana wrote:
Either way, i'm still in my belief that unless you're really skilled at lying your analysis as town is gonna be a lot better than your analysis as scum. I have seen nothing to disprove this.
If someone lies/is skilled at lying then they have the highest potential to be mafia, your words inspired this conclusion.
???
Someone's ability to lie doesn't influence their odds of pulling a red Role PM with most moderators
I'm saying someone who lies has a higher chance of being mafia
Someone who lies well is the most dangerous as mafia, so we need to eliminate good liars in case they are mafia
This is BS, It's not about eliminating the player with the greatest ability to lie, it's about eliminating the player who is lying, and even that it's just oversimplifying the game as it's not as easy as that. Something like this will lead you to want to eliminate the same player in every game just because they are good at lying, instead of... because of their actual alignment.
Anything quantifiable? I think it's notable that Dunnstral seems to be getting on to a very similar point there to what you were just saying about Kawaii
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
In post 1346, jjh927 wrote:
Anything quantifiable? I think it's notable that Dunnstral seems to be getting on to a very similar point there to what you were just saying about Kawaii
well there's a reason i'd maybe vote kawaii and definitely am voting dunnstral
