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[Pavowski]

How close is dragon on votes rn?

just me.

CW is likely to join, and Pav I hope would, but cant remember if they said.

I'm willing. Flavor makes a hell of a case but mechanically there are reasons to flip Dragon anyway.

Not voting yet though. The day is barely 24 hours in, we have lots of time.

[Flavor Leaf]

also, another big one, we just gonna sit here and act like all 3 scum claim Vanilla in a low PR game with no scum revealed?

Especially considering if scum were really going against JK, Cop, and Vig, as Hu Tao said, there would be 2 strong PR's on the scum team, and they just all choose to claim Vanilla, and then we hit a Goon?

Ya, no.

This is a JK or Roleblocker, Goon, Goon vs Cop/Vig setup

[Pavowski]

also, another big one, we just gonna sit here and act like all 3 scum claim Vanilla in a low PR game with no scum revealed?

Fucking THIS.

[cw357]

As I've thought about it the logical scum action if Dragon is scum after flavor's vig claim is to roleblock but not kill, since killing flavor when flavor has expressed he will target dragon puts the elim focus on dragon the next day.
VOTE: Dragon
I'm putting my vote here to make sure a wagon gets going but probably makes sense to wait to hammer

hu tao pings heavily on page 99 (i think or it might have been 98) so im curious to look at hu tao's interactions with hpe

[cw357]

yeah jailkeeper is the obvious fakeclaim for an rb, also I find it hard to see both being in a setup at the same time so dragon prob felt safe doing it

[Gamma Emerald]

[Flavor Leaf]

make sure Geraint and Purple both come in and comment on Dragon before the day ends.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah jailkeeper is the obvious fakeclaim for an rb, also I find it hard to see both being in a setup at the same time so dragon prob felt safe doing it

i think it could be scum Jailkeeper to give the option of protecting a teammate from a vig kill.

in hindsight, i think Hu Tao 2 PR comment constantly is probably scum tmi.

[Hu Tao]

also, another big one, we just gonna sit here and act like all 3 scum claim Vanilla in a low PR game with no scum revealed?

Especially considering if scum were really going against JK, Cop, and Vig, as Hu Tao said, there would be 2 strong PR's on the scum team, and they just all choose to claim Vanilla, and then we hit a Goon?

Ya, no.

This is a JK or Roleblocker, Goon, Goon vs Cop/Vig setup

This is the best argument for dragon scum i agree. But I still think his play isn't making sense as scum here

[Hu Tao]

yeah jailkeeper is the obvious fakeclaim for an rb, also I find it hard to see both being in a setup at the same time so dragon prob felt safe doing it

i think it could be scum Jailkeeper to give the option of protecting a teammate from a vig kill.

in hindsight, i think Hu Tao 2 PR comment constantly is probably scum tmi.

I mean. If there is a vig cop and JK. Surely scum have 2 strong pr? or it doesn't make sense

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you keep saying scum have 2 strong PRs? Very weird

[Flavor Leaf]

Nobody’s play here makes sense as scum

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Dragon’s play is like objectively the one that looks most like scum

[Flavor Leaf]

We already know scum saw something with Thomith’s crumb that they shot there.

And you don’t think that same scum would know that I was obv gonna shoot HPE?

DragonEater is the only one besides maybe Hu Tao or Gamma I see picking up on that stuff.

And at the end of the day, a ScumDrag had to pay attention to that stuff, especially after I claimed Vigilante. They were on mega edge.

Their play doesn’t make sense except to be scum trying to get cleared as town to deep wolf.

I specifically claimed multiple times that I would not be shooting Dragon.

They couldn’t risk me shooting any 3 of them.

Especially considering their attitude at the beginning of Day 3, when they still tried to act like I was ruining the game somehow and look at this gamestate. Kyouko flip auto lead us to HPE (who should have been killed that night, but I digress).

Going the No Kill gambit route is 100% better than having me shoot one of the scum members and revealing a red flip in the game.

HPE scum flip spews CW, Pav, and imo, Geraint, as town.

Scum does not shoot at me two nights in a row like that if my reads are bad. They just don’t

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, having a No Kill last night doesn’t extend the game at all either. Scum have to get the same amount of misfades, and they keep an extra slot open to misfade today.

I would say this implies specifically a Scum JK considering scum cannot kill me without my vig shot going through and opening the game up.

Even if they try to kill me, I’m going to rip open the game. They have no choice but to stop me from making a kill.

I called the gambit out BEFORE he even claimed the role.

[Hu Tao]

Why do you keep saying scum have 2 strong PRs? Very weird

I'm just trying to think of balance. If someone is going to think I'm scum for it, oh well.

[Hu Tao]

Also, having a No Kill last night doesn’t extend the game at all either. Scum have to get the same amount of misfades, and they keep an extra slot open to misfade today.

I would say this implies specifically a Scum JK considering scum cannot kill me without my vig shot going through and opening the game up.

Even if they try to kill me, I’m going to rip open the game. They have no choice but to stop me from making a kill.

I called the gambit out BEFORE he even claimed the role.

True. We are still at even numbers.

[DragonEater70]

I think Dragon’s play is like objectively the one that looks most like scum

Wrong. You said yourself, playing D1 like that is extremely bold for scum. I voted HPE yesterday and never unvoted once even when you considered alternatives. That's not how scum play.

I called the gambit out BEFORE he even claimed the role.

Which proves you're wrong. I am not stupid enough to see you call a gambit and double down on it as scum.

If I were scum, I would just nightkill + roleblock you last night and then play like I'm conftown based on how I was in your towncore yesterday. If you think I'm scum JK for some reason (who tf puts a scum JK in a simple though?) so can't block and kill, you're still wrong because it was pretty clear that you TR me going into night so I could just kill you without blocking. I don't need you around to flip flop on me as scum. I do need you around to flip flop on everyone and settle on scum as town, though.



Also holy shit 7 notifications by FL, what did I do to become so popular?

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavor just went hyperfization mode on the thread

[DragonEater70]

I do agree with you that cop + vig + JK is hella loaded though so I can't blame you for suspecting me to some degree, but as I said I'm not playing like scum. I literally narrowed my PoE to like Gamma/Pav/Gera, and I don't even think I'm ever voting Gera today. Scum likes big PoE. How's that scumplay.

[DragonEater70]

Flavor just went hyperfization mode on the thread

Good for him

I'm going to go to work soon so I'll leave you all now, hopefully he de-fixates by the time I'm back.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think it was pretty clear i town ready you to the extent i wouldn’t Vig you OR your partner.

And if you thought that on Night 3 and not Night 2 when I actively stated I wouldn’t be shooting at you Night 2, then yeah lol

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m locked in. This pop in confirms it for me

[Hu Tao]

I’m locked in. This pop in confirms it for me

If Dragon is scum who is the partner? Because I think going there is safer

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Flavor has been very clear on that matter.