Open 899 - The Pizza Kids Coalition [Game Over]

[Appearance]

i still think gob is town.
not knowing what phase we're in feels unlikely to come from scum

[Appearance]

that being said, everybody outside of coalition should be immune to eliminations for now.

[Appearance]

implo is prob town tho to me now.

[Appearance]

tbh i'm prob going to vote for either kyouko or klick rn in terms of those two being my weakest reads in the coalition.

[Appearance]

anyways, that's all from me rn.

[gob]

To my knowledge, town wins if we form a 5 pizza kids coaltion (who are all town) on Day 1.

Correct me if I am wrong.

we already formed a coalition
that happened during the coalition phase.

Okay i see. I think we eliminate outside of teh coalition then.

[gob]

sorry if i'm coming off as rude tho.

No its all good, clearly I was misinformed and I apologize.

Kyouko does seem hesitant which is usually how she is as scum.

[DragonEater70]

Good morning

I have insomnia so I'm awake.

Anyway I feel really blegh about how it seems like I was made to bear the full brunt of picking a coalition and now the responsibility lies just on me.

The only good thing about the situation is the really funny flavor Prism made. Thanks Prism.

[DragonEater70]

I kinda wanna town read gob for his really awful reads but the thing is he has awful reads as both alignments so I dunno

Anyway back to the actual point - I really wanna trust Klick because he risked not being in the coalition and because I somewhat doubt he would have needed to do the whole "sheep dragon" gambit as scum knowing that I didn't really trust him. On the other hand the gambit probably would have been amazing in a Klick/DV world.

Same thing -ish about Ydra, I don't really get why scum her would vote a coalition like that though obviously there is the (tiny) possibility of being scum with Klick or DV sooo

Idk

At least I know for sure the team isn't DV/implo now.

[DragonEater70]

Actually I want to vote someone but I first want to see more people's reactions so not voting yet.

[gob]

I kinda wanna town read gob for his really awful reads but the thing is he has awful reads as both alignments so I dunno

This guy clearly wolfing. Look at this fence sit

[implosion]

We should be limming on coalition. I'm assuming either that's what gob meant or he's just misunderstanding the setup.

I do sort of like 613 from Ydrasse as a reaction but it's certainly fakeable

I don't have a ton of time/energy tonight but should be able to do some diving tomorrow

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kinda sadge

We should be on-wagon until we find 1 scum and go from there. Regardless if you are reading this and were on or off wagon, the odds of finding scum are better on the wagon than off.

First impressions of gob is that he's overplaying the lack of info on replacing in. I remember feeling good about Elements though.

I think the coalition we got was decent for info as it precludes any lower effort teams in (T3, Implo, Elements). Knowing now at least 2 of these 3 are town they'd be kinda lhf

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The only good thing about the situation is the really funny flavor Prism made. Thanks Prism.

Yeah thanks mom
Or thanks dad, whatever you prefer

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I kinda wanna town read gob for his really awful reads but the thing is he has awful reads as both alignments so I dunno

Anyway back to the actual point - I really wanna trust Klick because he risked not being in the coalition and because I somewhat doubt he would have needed to do the whole "sheep dragon" gambit as scum knowing that I didn't really trust him. On the other hand the gambit probably would have been amazing in a Klick/DV world.

Same thing -ish about Ydra, I don't really get why scum her would vote a coalition like that though obviously there is the (tiny) possibility of being scum with Klick or DV sooo

Idk

At least I know for sure the team isn't DV/implo now.

What do you mean "vote a coalition

like that

" with Ydra?

[Prism]

I have no pronoun preference. You can use any gendered terms interchangeably.

[T3]

Alright game solved for realsies

HEAL: Klick, Appearance, Dragon, Elements, DeasVail

Now I just lurk until DV and Klick figure out this is the correct solve and then we just convince two others.

The kind of rhetoric of this post is something I feel like I could write an essay about. In the last coalition game I played, I was scum and there was a player (Hero at Heart) who was repeatedly giving similar rhetoric of surety about their coalition (nb: both scum were in it). I think d1 in that game was somewhat easy for me to navigate probably in large part due to that kind of rhetoric, where certain people (myself included) were almost viewed as above scrutiny in a way that felt like it radiated out from Hero's reads. Granted, Hero actually did change his reads plenty of times iirc, but ultimately the town deferred to it with the only real objection coming from me (because i softly wanted my scumbuddy off the coalition).

In this case, I think this coalition is massively likely to have scum on it somewhere. And I don't think DragonEater has the same kind of rhetorical sway that Hero did in that game. But it really makes me not like the direction that this day is going right now.

It’s weird to me that you’d use the amount of time since we last played together to question the reliability of my read on you and then make an unsolicited comment on my scumplay (particularly since 5-10 years ago I was probably better known for strong town play than strong scum play).

The comment on scumplay is more a continuation of 155 than it is of 156

I should note that Hero at Heart is an alt of Dragon

[T3]

I'm not sure why I'm finding it so hard to make reads this game

[T3]

DE reminds me a lot of how I used to play scum back in like 2021-ish

It feels like he's spending the whole game flailing around and trying to get townread, if that makes sense??

[T3]

I quite liked DV's reasoning for scumreading implosion earlier in the game

[DragonEater70]

I kinda wanna town read gob for his really awful reads but the thing is he has awful reads as both alignments so I dunno

This guy clearly wolfing. Look at this fence sit

You also said I was clearly wolfing in Mini 2317 and I was town

So with respect, your opinion on me sucks.

[DragonEater70]

I kinda wanna town read gob for his really awful reads but the thing is he has awful reads as both alignments so I dunno

Anyway back to the actual point - I really wanna trust Klick because he risked not being in the coalition and because I somewhat doubt he would have needed to do the whole "sheep dragon" gambit as scum knowing that I didn't really trust him. On the other hand the gambit probably would have been amazing in a Klick/DV world.

Same thing -ish about Ydra, I don't really get why scum her would vote a coalition like that though obviously there is the (tiny) possibility of being scum with Klick or DV sooo

Idk

At least I know for sure the team isn't DV/implo now.

What do you mean "vote a coalition

like that

" with Ydra?

Ydra voted a coalition that didn't include her and I thought that was pretty clearing, though of course if she was scum with Klick or something it wouldn't be really clearing. Idk I'm still thinking in implosion = scum terms.

[DragonEater70]

Alright game solved for realsies

HEAL: Klick, Appearance, Dragon, Elements, DeasVail

Now I just lurk until DV and Klick figure out this is the correct solve and then we just convince two others.

The kind of rhetoric of this post is something I feel like I could write an essay about. In the last coalition game I played, I was scum and there was a player (Hero at Heart) who was repeatedly giving similar rhetoric of surety about their coalition (nb: both scum were in it). I think d1 in that game was somewhat easy for me to navigate probably in large part due to that kind of rhetoric, where certain people (myself included) were almost viewed as above scrutiny in a way that felt like it radiated out from Hero's reads. Granted, Hero actually did change his reads plenty of times iirc, but ultimately the town deferred to it with the only real objection coming from me (because i softly wanted my scumbuddy off the coalition).

In this case, I think this coalition is massively likely to have scum on it somewhere. And I don't think DragonEater has the same kind of rhetorical sway that Hero did in that game. But it really makes me not like the direction that this day is going right now.

It’s weird to me that you’d use the amount of time since we last played together to question the reliability of my read on you and then make an unsolicited comment on my scumplay (particularly since 5-10 years ago I was probably better known for strong town play than strong scum play).

The comment on scumplay is more a continuation of 155 than it is of 156

I should note that Hero at Heart is an alt of Dragon

That's really rude of you to do.

[DragonEater70]

And I am dead serious about that.

[DragonEater70]

DE reminds me a lot of how I used to play scum back in like 2021-ish

It feels like he's spending the whole game flailing around and trying to get townread, if that makes sense??

I quite liked DV's reasoning for scumreading implosion earlier in the game

Mate

You aren't even trying to advance the game and you are saying I'm flailing