In post 2764, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Meta reads are still able to be explained.
Now that I’m thinking about it, Hu Tao has explained their meta read on Dragon. (I have the counter to it, but they did explain why they are reading it that way) so could be Purple/Dragon.
Dragon has been pushing gut reads as meta, and they’re not explaining it, because it’s gut. Kyouko was a meta read, and why were they able to explain it with Kyouko and not Hu Tao or Purple?
Okay, you are right, I am not properly explaining my reads on these two. Let me try.
Purple I have observed a clear trend where I was able to place him correctly, 1 for 1, as town or scum on like our last 3-4 games based on:
1. The level of analysis in his reads.
2. His reaction to being pushed.
3. His attitude towards strong town players (which in his perspective would be me and you).
As town, there's reads that are like believably reads. I am not expecting him to go and make a huge, 7 paragraph scum- (or town-) case on someone, but you can see that there's thought put into it. Which I have been feeling this game. In his posts where he says things like "I think you could be scum but it's not efficient to vote you right now", there's more nuance than I'd expect from scum him because he's not a very high effort scum player. Or more exactly his play as scum is not very high level, meaning he focuses on charm moreso than on trying to look analytic.
As town when pushed he tries to question the push and produces more reads (as he'd done here), as scum when pushed I think he just tends to either bus his partners to save himself, or just flail and then give up if the push continues.
Also as scum he tries to "appeal to" the town leaders and sort of play around them, but might counter their reads (but doesn't really push them). Whereas as town he does his own thing, and often scumreads the town leaders (though he can end up sheeping them). I think this has been his approach to both my and your slot this game.
In post 2926, Flavor Leaf wrote:
And if you’re town that sure of your reads, make better cases for Hu Tao/Purple, because if you’re that certain, and if you are correct,
That is the wincon.
I need to be convinced for it to happen.
And I have specifically told you the reasons you have given me just aren’t good enough FOR ME to agree with them. That’s fine for how YOU got the read, now improve on it and make more town cases.
Because I have town cased Hu Tao more than you have.
This is like when Hu Tao needed my vote to get FireScum, and they weren’t being self aware enough to know that they weren’t gonna hit scum unless I got convinced, and even in that game, I had the 2nd scum dead to rights and new that if we went to another day on certain slots, it leads to a scum fade and dissolution the next days.
So i target slots that even if hit town, can lead to a gamestate where it works for most scenarios.
In a scenario where I am right that there’s scum in Hu Tao/Drag/Purple (and I believe this to be correct even if Pav ends up being scum, I can see a world where Pav is in that Firebringer slot) then I am setting a situation up where it protects from all angles.
I’ve been pretty good with reads lately except for when I go against my gut, so it’s not happening here without better reasons.
I even outright found meta reasons for Purple to be scum here, and by knowing you had incorrect meta on me at times, on top of already seeing meta as supplementary, meta ain’t doing it for me here.
Fine, I will read your cases on Hu Tao and then I will either vote her or make a towncase for her.
