Open 899 - The Pizza Kids Coalition [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

among us!

[T3]

i just haven't... felt like posting. i've been procrastinating on doing a lot of things the past few days and this is an unfortunate victim of it.

i live vaguely in a world i think rn where it's like... gob... appearance...??? maybe??? as the wolf team. i'm unsure. i haven't sifted through the last few pages much yet but i saw my name and it was shiny to my eyes

gth this comes from town way more often than not

[Dunnstral]

FYI I am reading intermittently and am on page 7.

[implosion]

I think there are probably things she is likely to do but likely can't fake in the long term with the current cadence of the game as well so I think she'll also become more readable over time so maybe she's a bad lim for today for that reason

rip this i guess

Anyway I feel your frustration at me + your overall mode of engagement since coalition failed hasn't been overly scummy, BUT I did check your Toriel's Patience game and I feel your posting style os very different there. That's not to say you do not have nuanced takes in that game, but your takes this game DO feel calculated mostly.

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I think there's probably a significant amount of difference in posting style between the games that can be attributed to that game being a large and this game being a micro. I usually avoid larges like the plague but that game was 14 players and the setup looked cool. I had certain anchors in that game that I haven't really found in this game (e.g. my mutual townread on Mandate), although I was also semi-widely scumread (though in a somewhat different way from this game). That game also kind of reinforced my feeling that my d1 reads are utter garbage and I think that's been weighing on me more than it did in that game; my first reads list in that game (mind you, it was post 1332, that game was much faster than this one) had, out of 13 players with 3 scum, one scum in the top 2 towniest ("very much locktown"), one scum in the next 2 towniest, and one scum ranked in the dead center of the reads list.

that's not an excuse to not have reads but I think it has been influencing the way I've viewed the game, it's been hard to trust myself on stuff this game.

[implosion]

Regarding the idea of Klick as scum: I think, based on what knowledge I do think I have of them, that they're out of their scumrange by and large. I think Klick isn't particularly notorious for having a good scumgame (and Klick seems to think so, though I did also say the same thing in the other coalition game as scum who was playing well). I think Klick has good odds of getting shot at some point despite being on coalition because I think Klick is town and is playing in a way that is very conducive to town winning, and if Klick gets shot then we don't need to think about Klick being a deepwolf anymore. It's possible Klick is scum but I think it's really unlikely and I'm not really interested in investigating it today in detail.

I also don't really think an exact Klick-DV scumteam is worth overthinking about because I think it's really unlikely to still be possible come 5p eLo if it comes to that, and if it does then it can be evaluated in context then I guess but I think the way the chips fell in the coalition kind of paints DV as town. I might not have great logic for that but I feel like DV's play as the coalition was coming down of just like, being there but not doing anything and eventually getting taken off is just not really what it looks like for DV to be scum there. I think scum off-coalition if there is any is likely to be T3. I could be wrong on gob in theory but I also don't think so and it sounds like people more familiar with gob think this is gob town so I don't really care to scrutinize him either.

[implosion]

(specifically it sounds like Dragon is worried specifically about DV+Klick and I think it's basically never worth limming DV or Klick on just that basis until/unless they both are alive in eLo, unless there are other good reasons to think one of them is scum individually which I think is not true right now)

[implosion]

Re: Ydrasse, I actually (possibly illogically) liked the timing of the dip in motivation. At least from my perspective of playing this setup for the first time, there was always the hope that I wouldn’t have to play anymore after the coalition phase, so afterwards was a bit of a slump for me. I expect scum would have been more energised by the coalition failing.

It sounded to me like she was saying it was for RL reasons, in which case I think the dip itself is not indicative

[Appearance]

Re: Ydrasse, I actually (possibly illogically) liked the timing of the dip in motivation. At least from my perspective of playing this setup for the first time, there was always the hope that I wouldn’t have to play anymore after the coalition phase, so afterwards was a bit of a slump for me. I expect scum would have been more energised by the coalition failing.

It sounded to me like she was saying it was for RL reasons, in which case I think the dip itself is not indicative

agreed.
i wouldn't read into it too much.

[Appearance]

@mod: v/la from 21 jan to 29 jan

[DragonEater70]

Right

I am mainly annoyed with the fact that I put Klick in charge and he decided to sheep me over sheeping himself despite the fact that I had made a very clearly hurried choice that I wasn't even sure of.

Another thing I am wary of is the fact that Klick's reads have been aligning with mine

too

well.

But I think I can put this aside and just trust in tha power of tha mindmeld for now. And I do think Klick sheeping me does align with his town meta for instance.

So with that, let's try something here.

VOTE: Kyo

[T3]

VOTE: Kyo

I'm good with this

[T3]

VOTE: Dragon

Nah, I actually really dislike his above post.

[T3]

Maybe I'm crazy but some of his reasoning for townreading people is like, word-for-word stuff that I used to say when I was scum.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Kyo

I'm good with this

VOTE: Dragon

Nah, I actually really dislike his above post.

Well this looks towny.

Dragon, why vote Kyouko?

[gob]

Ya’ll catch a wolf yet?

[gob]

gob is very clearly town here because he's gasping at straws to scumread me.

And while for 95% of players that's scum indicative, gob is one of the like two players where it's very town indicative to do that

Smells like TMI to me. Town dragon wouldnt have the confidence to TR me here. You are trying to TR me to get me off your back.

Well i will leave you be for now. Ill just get you eliminated some other time when more heat is against you. That will come in time because you are wolfing and soon others will see. I am not gonna sit and argue for something so obvious.

[gob]

VOTE: DragonEater

[gob]

VOTE: Kyo

I'm good with this

VOTE: Dragon

Nah, I actually really dislike his above post.

Well this looks towny.

Dragon, why vote Kyouko?

This is a scummy post from dunnstral actuslly.


T3 yfrasse seem good. implo will need to go some point soon. maybr dunn too

[DragonEater70]

Maybe I'm crazy but some of his reasoning for townreading people is like, word-for-word stuff that I used to say when I was scum.

So what?

Are you imying I can't have these thoughts?

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Kyo

I'm good with this

VOTE: Dragon

Nah, I actually really dislike his above post.

Well this looks towny.

Dragon, why vote Kyouko?

Disagree on T3. Voting and changing vote is pretty standard for scum.

I'm voting Kyo because I had the weakest TR on her before the coalition locked in, and also because voting Appearance reeks of "let's just vote an LHF today" in a scummy way.

[DragonEater70]

gob is very clearly town here because he's gasping at straws to scumread me.

And while for 95% of players that's scum indicative, gob is one of the like two players where it's very town indicative to do that

Smells like TMI to me. Town dragon wouldnt have the confidence to TR me here. You are trying to TR me to get me off your back.

Well i will leave you be for now. Ill just get you eliminated some other time when more heat is against you. That will come in time because you are wolfing and soon others will see. I am not gonna sit and argue for something so obvious.

How is it TMI? I literally townread you in our last game together for most of D3 + D4, despite ypu constantly pushing me. I base a VERY large amount of my read on a person on past experience with them.

[implosion]

VOTE: Dunnstral

His entrance is not exactly impressive and I feel like Ydrasse was scum. I feel like the aspects of her posting that people were saying she'd have trouble faking as scum are actually things she definitely can fake over the course of her being in this game

T3 yfrasse seem good. implo will need to go some point soon. maybr dunn too

Do you realize Dunn replaced Ydrasse?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Kyo

I'm good with this

VOTE: Dragon

Nah, I actually really dislike his above post.

Well this looks towny.

Dragon, why vote Kyouko?

This is a scummy post from dunnstral actuslly.


T3 yfrasse seem good. implo will need to go some point soon. maybr dunn too

Dunn replaced Ydrasse

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Kyo

I'm good with this

VOTE: Dragon

Nah, I actually really dislike his above post.

Well this looks towny.

Dragon, why vote Kyouko?

Disagree on T3. Voting and changing vote is pretty standard for scum.

I'm voting Kyo because I had the weakest TR on her before the coalition locked in, and also because voting Appearance reeks of "let's just vote an LHF today" in a scummy way.

Excuse me? What gives you that idea?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You're voting me because I was your weakest TR. You remember my weakest TR don't you?