Open 899 - The Pizza Kids Coalition [Game Over]

[gob]

Coalition	Voters
Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Klick, Appearance, ssbm_Kyouko (5)	DragonEater70, Klick, Ydrasse, DeasVail, ssbm_Kyouko
Elements, Klick, Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Appearance (1)	implosion
Klick, DragonEater70, Elements, Appearance, DeasVail (1)	Appearance
Not Voting (2)	T3, Elements

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to form a coalition.

A coalition has been achieved! The Coalition Phase is over, stand by for resolution.

Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Klick, Appearance, ssbm_Kyouko
Elements, Klick, Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Appearance - my slot wasn't chosen for this pool
Klick, DragonEater70, Elements, Appearance, DeasVail - my slot wasn't chosen for this pool

Appearance, DragonEater70, Klick,

Okay, I have thought about it.

Ydrasse, Kyouko, are probably the two people we want to vote between.

^ this is my work, let me explain my thought process.

I think we vote between Ydrasse and Kyouko here today (I lean Kyouko) because looking at these pools. Appearance, DE70, Klick are the people on every pool.

Unless there is two mafia in these three, which is unlikely, then we are good limming OUTSIDE this today.

The mafia obviously cannot let 5 townies get nomm'd day 1 or its over. Looking at these pools, it seems Kyouko and Ydrasse had the most incentive to push that coalition. Obviously there is the whole thing of "i know im town so I needa be in the coalition" but the mafia

needs

to be in or they lose.

This is also why I think T3's slot is most likely town. Not sure why he didn't vote on the coalition but I feel like thats more towny than not, especially considering what Elements did.

So I am sorta leaning Kyouko right now, seems other people had heat against her too.

what does everyone think?

[gob]

Well im not really sorta leaning Kyouko. If enough people think my thought process makes like 50% sense then I'm going that way.

[fireisredsir]

Looking at these pools, it seems Kyouko and Ydrasse had the most incentive to push that coalition.

do you think that they did push that coalition?

[DeasVail]

the thread trajectory of DV ending up in the fun car is really intriguing to me

I thought so too

.. oh wait

[T3]

Some of the issues I had with him being performative were resolved when I looked at his ISO in this towngame, but by and large he seemed far more measured and balanced in this game and less powerwolfy.

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How am I powerwolfy when I am not even pushing implo right now who in a wolf!me world is most likely a town lhf. C'mon you can do better shade than that.

It’s not exactly powerwolfy. Idk how to describe it at 1 :15 am

[T3]

mmm 164 is a pretty good post if dragon is scum

Small sample size although I’ve seen those type of posts where one expresses a desire to change a gamestate to fit one’s individual ability to make reads come from scum

[T3]

Maybe I’m tunneled

I suppose I think that a general aspect of Dragon’s play this game is very very reminiscent of how I used to play as scum but obviously Dragon is his own person

I just need to look at more of his past games tbh

[T3]

fire came in saying things that I had already thought before which is usually towny

[T3]

Like does town Dragon really respond this aggressively

[T3]

Some of the issues I had with him being performative were resolved when I looked at his ISO in this towngame, but by and large he seemed far more measured and balanced in this game and less powerwolfy.

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How am I powerwolfy when I am not even pushing implo right now who in a wolf!me world is most likely a town lhf. C'mon you can do better shade than that.

It’s not exactly powerwolfy. Idk how to describe it at 1 :15 am

A better way to put it would be “being really over-the-top about caring whether town wins or not”

I don’t think that fully encompasses what I mean but that’ll do

[T3]

but it does feel like dragon has this energy throughout the game where he feels like he wants to be doing more, taking more control, forcing the gamestate into places he wants it to go. and he's presenting that as a town mindset, but if he is scum, then i think that kind of energy could manifest in making plays like this. i recognize it because i think i have that kind of energy as scum a lot, where i want to keep doing more and keep setting things up and improving the position

Yes exactly!!

[T3]

fire can definitely fake a read with this degree of nuance but I still want to townread him for this

[DragonEater70]

Apologies for the low level of posting this phase, I am kinda burned out from Mafia right now and I also don't feel I have anything meaningful to add.

[DragonEater70]

mmm 164 is a pretty good post if dragon is scum

What does this even mean

[DragonEater70]

Like does town Dragon really respond this aggressively

Yes.

[Appearance]

i think fire's posting moves them up a tier in my reads.
UNVOTE:

[DragonEater70]

ok i keep running into more of these posts, and i think from spec the biggest thing that rang alarm bells for me about dragon was how he kept repeatedly saying "wow i hope klick isn't pocketing me!!" in a way that felt extremely forced bc nothing that klick was doing looked like it could resemble pocketing dragon and if anything it looked way more like the opposite

and that felt like the kind of thing that i like to do as scum a lot except it was done in a much more sloppy way imo. i like to think at least that there's some finesse to the play

having read more closely now (on page 12) ill have a bit more to say about more general stuff once i have some time to type words

I think you are missing the context about the pocketing here:
Klick and I have a recently completed game where we found each other as town on like page 3, and were heavily townblocking. So I came into this game thinking "wow it'd be cool if Klick is town this game as well and we can find each other on page 2 and win". I basically said as much in my literal first post this game.

Now Klick obviously knows this, and his approach to the game in general and to my slot in particular has been similar to his approach in the last game, but there are some differences. So one could interpret it as him being town and therefore having a similar approach, with the differences being due to this being a different game. OR, one could interpret it as Klick being scum, seeing how eager I am to find him as town, and deliberately trying to imitate his play from that game in order to pocket me, but not quite succeeding due to being scum. Add to that the fact that Klick has basically been having the same reads as I and ended up sheeping me not once but twice (I wanted dragon/dv/klick/app/elements from page 6, which ended up being klick's favored coalition, and he also sheeped me onto the one that did pass), and I think it becomes pretty clear why thinking that Klick might be pocketing me is not an unreasonable thought to have.

That I currently choose to think he is town, is another matter entirely.

[DragonEater70]

I struggle to see this post as being in good faith honestly

[DragonEater70]

Like I feel fireisredsir has decided to scumread me before reading my posts and is now looking for reasons to scunread me.

[DeasVail]

Like I feel fireisredsir has decided to scumread me before reading my posts and is now looking for reasons to scunread me.

Do you think fire is doing this as town or as scum?

[DragonEater70]

Considering I'm voting them, probably scum?

[DragonEater70]

Coalition	Voters
Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Klick, Appearance, ssbm_Kyouko (5)	DragonEater70, Klick, Ydrasse, DeasVail, ssbm_Kyouko
Elements, Klick, Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Appearance (1)	implosion
Klick, DragonEater70, Elements, Appearance, DeasVail (1)	Appearance
Not Voting (2)	T3, Elements

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to form a coalition.

A coalition has been achieved! The Coalition Phase is over, stand by for resolution.

Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Klick, Appearance, ssbm_Kyouko
Elements, Klick, Ydrasse, DragonEater70, Appearance - my slot wasn't chosen for this pool
Klick, DragonEater70, Elements, Appearance, DeasVail - my slot wasn't chosen for this pool

Appearance, DragonEater70, Klick,

Okay, I have thought about it.

Ydrasse, Kyouko, are probably the two people we want to vote between.

^ this is my work, let me explain my thought process.

I think we vote between Ydrasse and Kyouko here today (I lean Kyouko) because looking at these pools. Appearance, DE70, Klick are the people on every pool.

Unless there is two mafia in these three, which is unlikely, then we are good limming OUTSIDE this today.

The mafia obviously cannot let 5 townies get nomm'd day 1 or its over. Looking at these pools, it seems Kyouko and Ydrasse had the most incentive to push that coalition. Obviously there is the whole thing of "i know im town so I needa be in the coalition" but the mafia

needs

to be in or they lose.

This is also why I think T3's slot is most likely town. Not sure why he didn't vote on the coalition but I feel like thats more towny than not, especially considering what Elements did.

So I am sorta leaning Kyouko right now, seems other people had heat against her too.

what does everyone think?

I actually think this makes sense.

[DragonEater70]

Some of the issues I had with him being performative were resolved when I looked at his ISO in this towngame, but by and large he seemed far more measured and balanced in this game and less powerwolfy.

viewtopic.php?t=91582&user_select%5B%5D=36973

How am I powerwolfy when I am not even pushing implo right now who in a wolf!me world is most likely a town lhf. C'mon you can do better shade than that.

It’s not exactly powerwolfy. Idk how to describe it at 1 :15 am

Please describe it at 10 AM when you can.

[DragonEater70]

Maybe I’m tunneled

I suppose I think that a general aspect of Dragon’s play this game is very very reminiscent of how I used to play as scum but obviously Dragon is his own person

I just need to look at more of his past games tbh

I think if you read like 2-3 of my town games, this is instantly recognizable as my town game. When I am TR'd as wolf I honestly don't do a lot to change the gamestate.

[gob]

Looking at these pools, it seems Kyouko and Ydrasse had the most incentive to push that coalition.

do you think that they did push that coalition?

Yes because mafia HAS to. I havent actually read that part of the game though.