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Post Post #2375 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:51 pm

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In post 2359, Sakura Hana wrote: I'll say it's a lot easier to fool one person rather than... whatever many others in the thread right now. And if he is solving in a PT, why cant he solve in the main thread? (Disclaimer: i havent checked T3's ISO lately)
I've been solving a good amount in the main thread. Definitely moreso than basically everyone except Klick I guess
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Post Post #2376 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:51 pm

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Not going to make his life easier in the event he is scum by stating them beforehand and your speculation is somewhat harmful here
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Post Post #2377 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:52 pm

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In post 2374, Klick wrote: Koba probably thought the benefits of getting a PT with town!jjh in D1's position were very high
I think there's been a misunderstanding - to clarify, T3 was the one who got the neighbouriser
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Post Post #2378 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:53 pm

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With regards to Ceph, he had a weird vote and unvote on Gamma at one point, but I also don't think it really makes sense for him being scum because I can't see a clear scum motivation for making the vote in the first place. On balance that vote/unvote is scummy tho
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Post Post #2379 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:53 pm

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In post 2369, jjh927 wrote: What we do get is that this is the only possible truth
No, the other possible truth is you're both scum and gambiting.
However even if you're not lying about the neighborhood that doesnt mean T3 or you are town (but i doubt you're both scum if said neighborhood indeed exists)
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Post Post #2380 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:54 pm

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In post 2374, Klick wrote: Koba probably thought the benefits of getting a PT with town!jjh in D1's position were very high
He gave it to T3 not jjh, T3 neighborized jjh
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Post Post #2381 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:54 pm

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Presumably according to them anyway.
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Post Post #2382 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:55 pm

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In post 2379, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2369, jjh927 wrote: What we do get is that this is the only possible truth
No, the other possible truth is you're both scum and gambiting.
However even if you're not lying about the neighborhood that doesnt mean T3 or you are town (but i doubt you're both scum if said neighborhood indeed exists)
You mean a highly counterclaimable scenario, got it
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Post Post #2383 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:55 pm

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In post 2361, Sakura Hana wrote: is kinda weird after
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What was your conclusion after posting and ?
In for some reason I thought that Klick was asking whether there 2 scum his 8 non-town players or not, I misunderstood what Klick was asking. So, I was trying to explain that there are almost always 4 scum in 17 players, I didn't know that the mod confirmed 4 scum in the setup.
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Post Post #2384 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:56 pm

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I don't remember what my conclusion for 2137 and 2138, I think I realized there was no obvious pattern and didn't look at it further.
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Post Post #2385 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:57 pm

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In post 2382, jjh927 wrote:
In post 2379, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2369, jjh927 wrote: What we do get is that this is the only possible truth
No, the other possible truth is you're both scum and gambiting.
However even if you're not lying about the neighborhood that doesnt mean T3 or you are town (but i doubt you're both scum if said neighborhood indeed exists)
You mean a highly counterclaimable scenario, got it
It's not counterclaimable if he gave it to kyouko who also died N1.
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Post Post #2386 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:57 pm

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However i admit it's purely speculation on my part, but i'm sorry i cant take you at your word that said neighborhood exists.
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Post Post #2387 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:57 pm

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In post 2362, Sakura Hana wrote: Also why did you neighborize jjh?
I wanted to talk to someone who would engage with me and who I could try sort, mainly the former.
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Post Post #2388 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:58 pm

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How would scum know that
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Post Post #2389 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:59 pm

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In post 2363, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1827, Big Chungus Gaming wrote: ssbm_Kyouko
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Post Post #2390 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:59 pm

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I don't see much of a point in jjh and T3 faking the existence of the neighbourhood
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Post Post #2391 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:59 pm

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The only way this could be a fabrication is if the neighbouriser was given to gamma or pooky and lying about it would be completely pointless anyway
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Post Post #2392 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:00 pm

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With T3 as the target I think 'I want to sort T3 better by getting him 1 on 1' is decent justification
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Post Post #2393 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:00 pm

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In post 2388, jjh927 wrote: How would scum know that
It's a gambit after all, and could predict it based off BCG's reads, alternatively whoever received could've also died before today. Either way it's not out of the question, but scum knows that it cannot be disproven mechanically with me vanillized and the tracker dead unless there's a follower or voyeur that saw it, or a PT cop or something.
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Post Post #2394 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:02 pm

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dude if this was a gambit this would be the worst gambit of all time
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Post Post #2395 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:02 pm

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You think it is conceivably possible that I would make a play as scum that risks the entire game on the belief that koba gave a neighbouriser to kyouko and not any other player in the game for no mechanical benefit whatsoever?
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Post Post #2396 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:02 pm

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But fine, i know at least one of you 3 has to be town, I just rather it be said because it's something that scum could do, and i'm predisposed to doubt a lot of things right now because i was vanillized instead of killed which leads me to believe scum doesnt care about my solving or my reads.
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Post Post #2397 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:04 pm

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Did the vanillaise take place before or after you got a watcher result
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Post Post #2398 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:05 pm

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There's always the possibility that scum had some mech knowledge that Alisae was Cyd and that's why they killed Ali instead of one of us
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Post Post #2399 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:05 pm

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In post 2397, jjh927 wrote: Did the vanillaise take place before or after you got a watcher result
After, however i'm not outing the result until we get more claims, it's pretty pointless to do so coz i could catch someone in a lie.
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